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A so-called “new” study into talking to babies? !

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Foxygloves Mon 15-May-23 08:13:46

This should come under “Parenting” but as a mother and a Gran, I do wonder why some academics make claims for stating something we have all known (and practised) since our children were babies, and our mothers and grandmothers before us probably as far back as Adam and Eve!
Talk about Department of the Bleedin’ Obvious!

TALKING to babies can help boost their brain development, according to a new study.
Researchers from the University of East Anglia (UEA) discovered that two-and-a-half-year-olds who heard more speech in everyday life had more myelin – a substance that makes brain signals more efficient – in language-related areas of their brains.
The researchers said their findings, published in the Journal of Neuroscience, demonstrate how talking to toddlers can shape their developing brain, and can have a similar effect on babies as young as six months.
On reflection though, it makes me think how some young mums, glued to their phones are both missing out on that lovely interaction with a tiny and possibly unwittingly affecting their little one’s development.
So on second thoughts, perhaps it does need saying confused

nanna8 Mon 15-May-23 08:16:01

And they get paid to come up with this stuff ? We all knew that from the start and so did our parents and grandparents. Talk about sucking eggs! No doubt someone got a PhD out of it.

Sparklefizz Mon 15-May-23 08:18:04

Probably it does need saying, though, because nowadays young mums are often on their phones.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 15-May-23 08:19:49

Presumably this groundbreaking research was funded somehow.
Yes, the mothers glued to their phones (such a sad but all too frequent sight) need to understand the benefits of chatting to their little ones.

Foxygloves Mon 15-May-23 08:22:19

Nanna8 gringrin

But yes, Sparklefizz it does need saying, you are right.
It has broken my heart on occasion to see a young mum glued to her phone while her baby in its buggy looks as if they are trying to make eye contact with their mum sad

NotSpaghetti Mon 15-May-23 08:23:57

Families I supported years ago did not all know this.
One mum of a toddler specifically told me she didn't talk to her as you "can't have a conversation" and it was "boring".

Maybe more evidence will encourage Labour to re-launch SureStart which was having an impact on these underprivileged children.

NotSpaghetti Mon 15-May-23 08:24:34

This was pre-mobiles being so all-pervasive as well.

Luckygirl3 Mon 15-May-23 08:30:15

It is good to have the actual evidence for something that is instinctive to most.

Witzend Mon 15-May-23 08:31:36

Presumably it’s a ‘new’ study because the neuroscientists who did it have found proof (of what many of us already knew) in the form of more of a relevant substance in language-related areas of the brain.

FannyCornforth Mon 15-May-23 08:33:00

🤦‍♀️
My very wise Nan said it started to go down hill with foreword facing prams and pushchairs.
She reckoned mother and baby needed to by facing each other and mother pointing out various things on their travels to the child.

Nellybrook Mon 15-May-23 08:34:10

My daughter in law isn't a particularly chatty type so doesn't talk much, but she does stick lovely pictures next to the babies changing table and in their pram. We shouldn't underestimate learning through ALL the senses.
I've noticed that the mums who talk most to their babies about the world around them are the ones who WALK to school or into town.
Both the car and mobile phones are progress, but not always good.

Foxygloves Mon 15-May-23 08:37:42

I agree FannyCornforth didn’t we all talk to our babies in their prams? When they could sit up we’d point out “birdies, doggies, ducks, lorries, big red buses” or whatever!
I also hate the way modern “strollers” have the baby facing straight into whatever exhaust fumes are being pumped out just about at their face level. But that’s another rant.

Doodledog Mon 15-May-23 08:42:02

Obviously I don't know for sure, but I would put good money on the research being into the production of myelin, not into mothers talking to babies. Universities put out press releases when there have been new findings (which will have been too complex and not of interest to the readers of the publication quoted in the OP) and editors pick out the bits that might interest their readers, (or get them hot under the collar grin).

It's not just modern mums who don't talk to babies all day, (and most of them probably do - I don't remember anyone not being intensely child-focused 'in my day', and I don't see things being any different now with the young mums in my family). The fashion used to be to put them in prams at the bottom of the garden for hours at a time to get 'fresh air' (which wasn't always fresh in the days of coal fires) and only pick them up every four hours to feed them, in case they were 'spoilt'. My mum is always saying how much harder it was before automatic washing machines and 'all the gadgets nowadays', so time to chat to babies would have been limited then, too.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 15-May-23 08:43:54

I’m another who much preferred prams and pushchairs which allowed contact between mum and baby - it must be quite frightening, as well as potentially dangerous, to be sitting in a forward-facing buggy, unable to see mum, just strangers.

Franbern Mon 15-May-23 08:53:39

My eldest was born in 1969. I kept hearing the Education Lecturer at my College telling us of the importance of speech was to baby even whilst in womb, and definitely once born.d

I can remember being horrified when I found I had actually been 'silent' for a whole time whilst he was awake, and worried if I was stunting his mental capabilities this way.

FannyCornforth Mon 15-May-23 08:57:38

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m another who much preferred prams and pushchairs which allowed contact between mum and baby - it must be quite frightening, as well as potentially dangerous, to be sitting in a forward-facing buggy, unable to see mum, just strangers.

Yes. And down so low. And being pushed into the road to cross it with no one beside you

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 15-May-23 08:59:20

Yes. Not my choice!

Aveline Mon 15-May-23 08:59:41

Apart from anything else it's lovely talking to babies and small children. It's a really rewarding activity.
I do agree that this research is most likely into myelin production but the tabloids pick the sensational aspect to highlight.

Dickens Mon 15-May-23 09:17:53

I think it's instinctive to talk to babies - even acknowledging the fact that at xx months they won't have a clue what you're on about.

When I used to change my son's nappies, I would babble away to him, largely to keep his attention focused on me so that he stopped wriggling and squirming. I've no idea what I talked about, but at around 11 months - I laid him on the mat and, as I was reaching for the wipes and nappy-cream... he looked at me and said, quite distinctly, "pooh, stinks". Those were his first words.

Unfortunately, because I hooted with laughter he sensed my approval and kept repeating the comment when we were out and about to anyone who would listen.

BlueBelle Mon 15-May-23 09:20:10

I see babies in prams coming into our shop with the baby
(obviously by baby I mean sitting up, doing, baby not new born) holding a screen the whole time they are in the shop I see mums give their child their phone with a game on presumable to keep them quiet. It worries me so much that these little souls aren’t looking around, observing and connecting with ‘things’

henetha Mon 15-May-23 09:20:23

It's second nature to talk to your babies, isn't it. But, yes, I do see young mums talking to their phones a lot these days, sadly.
And I agree about some prams and pushchairs facing the wrong way these days.

Callistemon21 Mon 15-May-23 09:59:51

FannyCornforth

🤦‍♀️
My very wise Nan said it started to go down hill with foreword facing prams and pushchairs.
She reckoned mother and baby needed to by facing each other and mother pointing out various things on their travels to the child.

She had a point.

It worries me so much that these little souls aren’t looking around, observing and connecting with ‘things’
Yes, this too. There is so much to chat about, even just en route to the shops.

Sometimes I found it difficult to get a word in edge ways with a couple of my toddler DC. Girls always seemed more chatty than boys even though I chatted to them all.

as I was reaching for the wipes and nappy-cream... he looked at me and said, quite distinctly, "pooh, stinks". Those were his first words.
😁
My son's first proper word was 'dinner' 😀

NanaDana Mon 15-May-23 10:25:58

One of our Daughters is a speech therapist for children, an occupation described as an SLP (Speech-language Pathologist) these days. Although we may understandably think that to us, the UEA research simply states the obvious, her experience in the field would indicate that there are some parents out there to whom this is news. Although she would never threaten case confidentiality, I well remember her in the early days describing a Mother's response when she was encouraged to speak more to her verbally challenged toddler. She actually said: "Well, he doesn't talk to me, so what can I do?" She has also mentioned that more recent research on causal effects has identified an unhealthy focus on smartphones as being a significant threat to the general socialisation and development of infants. They are too often simply ignored, so is it any wonder that their speech suffers? Can't help thinking that our rather introverted obsession with all these internet-based devices is actually eating away at the roots of what gives some cohesion to society. Worrying times.

NotSpaghetti Mon 15-May-23 10:33:21

No, sadly, Dickens it isn’t instinctive to all mums to talk to babies.

maddyone Mon 15-May-23 10:33:52

Mobile phones, mobile phones, mobile phones.
This is the biggest problem today. Parents interact with their phones rather than their children.