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tinkestral Sat 27-May-23 20:21:46

Id previously posted about how financially we would mange having our grandchildren now i am feeling quite angry and resentful about the idea and its breaking my heart.
I was married at a young age and had four children in quick succession. But I loved being a mum and as much as it was hard work I loved it. Dad worked hard for us so I pretty much did everything .
All our children are in mid 20's to early 30's. But our 2nd eldest son has been a complete nightmare from his early 20's. He's borrowed so much money of my self and his dad his put us in to debt. Takes no responsibility for any thing. Has a drink problem and the mum of the kids is often stoned. They have 3 children. A 10 year old and a 3 and 4 year old. The younger two have what i can only describe as quite severe learning disability's or perhaps autism. Their lacking social skills and often don't make eye contact. The social services are saying this is my sons and his partners fault as they have not socialized with the children.
A couple of years ago we moved home, almost a hour away. which meant popping in for coffee or visits were often prearranged and while I did have concern's about the younger two my son and the children's mum assured me they had been referred. We also began turning up unannounced to find the house in a shocking condition. We told my son this was unacceptable but was told to to leave.
I also took a different approach by offering support , from looking after the children to cleaning for them. Last xmas the children received no presents except from us , we only found out this when we arrived with our presents. He said he had no money which is a lie. as he still managed to have a drink and she was stoned.
Social services became involved with the family last January and while my son said it was about his daughters attendance i didn't buy any of it. I actually call the social worker who refused to discuss anything, all she could say were things are dire. So a few months ago he calls me in a state to say the social worker had told him they are looking to possibly remove the children, i told him i could only support him if i new the facts. He gave the social worker permission to tell me. I was ashamed and dumbfounded at what she said about my son his partner/ ex.
They have know been split for a few months and his ended up sleeping on my settee. I just look at him and feel so much resentment. I am at a total loss how some one I brought in to this world can be involved with the social services and still take no responsibility .
We are also living in a 2 up 2 down house and need larger accommodation which were struggling to find.
Myself and my husband are currently going through checks to foster carer's and one of us which will be me will leave my job to be a full time carer. I don't want be one and I feel terrible for feeling like this. We had the children for the day and the younger two have in my mind some very serious problems. They look physically ok.
I don't know what i want people to say,, perhaps some words of wisdom to make me give my head a wobble.

Iam64 Sun 28-May-23 19:31:14

What a difficult place you’re in. Firstly, do the local authority plan to issue care proceedings? It can sound threatening but it’s better all round to involve the family court than have the la act on a ‘voluntary’ basis. I advise you to see a solicitor who specialises in child care. The court often instructs the la to pay the legal fees of grandparents.

The younger two don’t have a diagnosis of autistic spectrum disorder. Given the drug/alcohol use of their parents, it’s understandable that neglect is being considered as a possible explanation of their delay and avoidance of eye contact.

Are there any other family members who would consider fostering the younger two. The 10 year old could be with you. Adoption is the preferred option for 3-4 year olds if going back to parents is ruled out. You aren’t there yet.

Seek legal advice. Ask about Special Guardianship. Ensure there’s a financial and practical/emotional support package. That will make it more likely information will be shared with you. Keep your feet on the ground - best wishes

Hithere Sun 28-May-23 19:34:44

This OP does not want to stop working to be the main carer - it is a very valid choice

Finances are tight

A son who is an addict lives in the same house

Family is not always the best option

Iam64 Sun 28-May-23 19:50:00

Hithere, I agree that family isn’t always the best option, It’s also questionable whether outcomes are always better for children kept in the family than those with a care history,

HeavenLeigh Sun 28-May-23 20:17:07

Really feel for you and your Dh, heartbreaking situation and you obviously want what’s best for everyone. I can’t see how you could manage though, I’d be having long conversations with social services and I agree with gagajo I’d tell your son to find himself somewhere else to live, I hope you manage to find a way to make things work good luck

tinkestral Mon 29-May-23 09:16:23

Thank you so much for reply. My son isn't drinking at our home and doesn't seem to worse for wear not drinking .
My ex Dil will not get help I've offered it. She's been smoking since around 12 years of age with her own mother.
There was appointment for the younger of the 2 children for a assessment but ex Dil never attended or told anyone either for help to get there.
There absolutely not naughty children but their so lacking in everything skillwise. I was glad I've spent last few days with them as I can see a multitude of problems they need help with.

GagaJo Mon 29-May-23 09:37:51

tinkestral

Thank you so much for reply. My son isn't drinking at our home and doesn't seem to worse for wear not drinking .
My ex Dil will not get help I've offered it. She's been smoking since around 12 years of age with her own mother.
There was appointment for the younger of the 2 children for a assessment but ex Dil never attended or told anyone either for help to get there.
There absolutely not naughty children but their so lacking in everything skillwise. I was glad I've spent last few days with them as I can see a multitude of problems they need help with.

He might not be drinking but he's the one who's put you in this predicament. The children should come me first, not an idiot who has almost lost his children.

Curtaintwitcher Mon 29-May-23 09:44:37

Taking on all the children would be too much for you. If the younger ones have mental problems, they need to be with people who know how to deal with it. At least you won't be worrying about them any more. It's a pity that the authorities didn't get involved sooner. What happened to health visitors?

Hithere Mon 29-May-23 13:33:14

It doesnt mean your son is not drinking anywhere else

Grammaretto Mon 29-May-23 13:47:02

I agree that foster care can be a good option. It's not an orphanage (tell OH) there are some wonderful, experienced carers . I know one such couple who have fostered 2 DC since they were babies who both have disabilities and who are now in their 20s.

You and OH will be able to see the DGC.but surely you are not best placed to have them all to live.

Dinahmo Mon 29-May-23 13:48:37

surely the social services person was suggesting that the couple become foster parents, in which case they will be paid for that.

VioletSky Mon 29-May-23 13:57:14

I think the decision to be paid foster parents is the right one

I have to say, my main concern is how many doubts you have and how much this will alter your lifestyle

There are foster families who choose this life, they enjoy it and they are equipped for it, with the rights size home, everything they need and a good base of knowledge about how to handle the children's needs

This will be a struggle for you without those things in place and my concern would be that having not chosen this life for yourself, you will be unhappy and resent it.

The children will sense and respond to any unhappiness and resentment in negative ways

I think you need to get some outside support to assess whether this is happy future for you because children need happy caregivers

3nanny6 Mon 29-May-23 16:06:18

Hi tinkestral,
It must be terrible for you right now as you have such a lot to think about in regard of your grand-children.
It is a heart breaking situation when the children are in a situation that is not their fault I know the feeling I have been through it myself and dealing with childrens services which is what they are called now instead of social services is like trying to navigate a minefield.

Just pointing out to you if the services are looking to offer you an assessment to have the children which is something that must be done then you will probably not get all three.
You say you have a 2 bedroom house but social services will tell you that the children must have their own bedroom. You do not say what genders they are as two girls could share a room or two boys could share a room but with three children and two adults and I think you have one 19 year old son at home you will be pushed for space.
Something else the social services will be concerned about is your other son (father of the children) is living at your house at the moment and although you say he has stopped drinking the social worker will not take that as fact and even before your son can see the children he may be asked to have an alcohol test just to make sure.
I am wondering if the social services have said they are looking to start proceedings to get an order if so then you know things are serious.
If you want some good factual information and also a good list of legal facts then go on The Kinship Carers Forum where you will find a lot of help in dealing with social workers.
One other thing if proceedings start then your son and his ex partner will be entitled to free legal aid. In my own case as the grand-parent I was not entitled to legal aid.

I wish you the best of luck in working out the best scenario for the grand-children it is hard work fighting the corner for them but for me to have every thing worked out in the best interests of the children is a worthwhile job as after all they are the most important ones when life breaks down for the adults.

Cambsnan Thu 01-Jun-23 10:13:19

You don’t have he resources, emotional, physical or financial to take this on. In your heart you know this. If you cannot meet the children’s needs you would not be helping them be taking them on. You could stay involved and loving grandparents but not full time carer.

Nannashirlz Thu 01-Jun-23 13:09:42

We used to have a family in our street both on drugs and drinking etc two little kids 2-3 beautiful little girls. We as neighbors would give them food sweets drinks etc constantly phone social services to report them. One day I come home from work fire engines and police were there. While stoned they set house on fire police said needles were found in dolly pram. Two girls took into care and I know the parents had closed the on the son and his gf because of the drugs and also reported them for fear of grandkids. You giving them money you are feeding his habit. You the one that keeps saying yes to him try saying NO