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Nasty daughter in-law

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Pussycat777 Sun 29-Dec-24 14:16:03

I'm now at my witts end for years I've been helpful,polite and kind despite my daughter in-law. But the past 12 months she's stepped up to another level trying to split the family up she's particularly nasty to my daughter who has tried to be friends. She's now latched onto my other daughter in-law and doesn't leave her alone. Christmas day we visited each of our sons and family but had Christmas lunch at our daughters who invited us first .my older son and wife were lovely but on arriving at other sons his wife didn't speak to us and ignored us .im so mad I think there no need for rudeness .she didn't even say bye .so now I'm left wanting to pull her up over it .The only reason I haven't said anything is because of my grandchildren .

valdali Mon 30-Dec-24 21:50:20

I don't understand what Grams is getting at either.There is no legal entitlement to see anyone else's children, but that doesn't mean children spending time with their grandparents is the equivalent of children spending time with this "Joseph" down the road.
If the parents were suddenly unable to look after them, the GPs would certainly be considered as appropriate to do so if they were able. Joseph down the road - not a chance.

whywhywhy Mon 30-Dec-24 21:37:22

Tread on egg shells. I do that and it boils my guts! What right do they have to treat us like that? Sending love and hugs.

Gingerrice Mon 30-Dec-24 21:33:17

Madeleine45 I love your ideas about giving yourself a score out of 10.....I have a similar family member who barely answers when I speak to them but I always say " Hi how are you?" even if there's no reply and of course send presents on birthdays etc . Hold the high ground I say !

leeds22 Mon 30-Dec-24 21:22:57

Afraid the only course is to ignore her behaviour. I do it with one of my DiLs. Anything else will just make matters worse.

Smileless2012 Mon 30-Dec-24 20:50:52

How on earth can a GP whose having their GC wrongfully withheld from them, or living with the threat that they will be, or may be if the GP's don't toe the line be accused of entitlement Grams?

Is the child whose abused by their parents entitled because they don't think they should be abused? Are they entitled because they think they're entitled to a caring, loving and nurturing relationship?

Allsorts Mon 30-Dec-24 19:40:50

Norah, there's no excuses for rudeness and making invited family feel like lepers unless you have the skin of a Rhino

Newatthis Mon 30-Dec-24 19:31:21

A quiet word with your son? There could be a reason which might not have anything to do with you.

Grams2five Mon 30-Dec-24 18:55:55

Smileless2012

But you must admit Norah that it's easier for people to do what they wish, worry not when the possibility they could be stopped from seeing their GC has never entered their mind, because it's never been said directly or vaguely intimated.

People can be stopped from aero other peoples children all the time though? For any reason or no reason at all? There in lies the entitlement. ANY time with someone else’s child is a gift and just that. Grandparents aren’t entitled to it ann more than Joseph down the road. And you want us to assume that some are having their grandchildren wrongfully withheld from them and yet don’t believe some think they’re entitled to a relationship - it doesn’t make sense.

Smileless2012 Mon 30-Dec-24 17:22:44

But you must admit Norah that it's easier for people to do what they wish, worry not when the possibility they could be stopped from seeing their GC has never entered their mind, because it's never been said directly or vaguely intimated.

Norah Mon 30-Dec-24 17:18:36

Smileless2012

You must have seen examples Norah. GP's exhausted with child care but worried about not continuing in case they don't see their GC. GC being withheld because the financial support being asked for isn't going to be given. GP's afraid to say or do the wrong thing, walking on egg shells in case they're stopped from seeing their GC.

Who has said that anyone verbalising/writing in anger toward not having access to children (doesn't) feel entitled ABlessedHeart. I don't understand the relevance of your comment confused. Has any one done this? Have I missed it?

Yes. I've read eggshells comments, exhausted child care comments, worried people -- I do ad hoc child care, but I'd not be forced.

I suspect people should do what they wish, worry not.

"Worry, thief of joy" springs to mind.

Smileless2012 Mon 30-Dec-24 17:00:26

You must have seen examples Norah. GP's exhausted with child care but worried about not continuing in case they don't see their GC. GC being withheld because the financial support being asked for isn't going to be given. GP's afraid to say or do the wrong thing, walking on egg shells in case they're stopped from seeing their GC.

Who has said that anyone verbalising/writing in anger toward not having access to children (doesn't) feel entitled ABlessedHeart. I don't understand the relevance of your comment confused. Has any one done this? Have I missed it?

BlessedArt Mon 30-Dec-24 16:48:29

Smileless2012

How can you possibly know that Grams? Do you know GranJill? Do you know that she believes she's entitled to a relationship with her GC by virtue of being their GM?

There's nothing in her post to suggest that is the case.

How can anyone possibly assume we know how a person we’ve never met, wrote to, or spoken views their children as weapons, but it cannot be assumed that people verbalizing / writing in anger toward not having access to grandchildren don’t feel entitled (right or wrong depending on the situation) to have a relationship with the grandchildren? Those two positions can’t be true at once for the same person. They are in direct conflict with one another.

Norah Mon 30-Dec-24 16:36:55

Smileless2012

GranJill didn't say how the GC are used as bait Norah, just that they are but we've seen examples over the years here on GN.

Bait for what? Misplaced expectations?

They're not the GP children, they are the AC children.

icanhandthemback Mon 30-Dec-24 16:26:20

My DIL's have their moments (as we all do) but I always make sure not to escalate anything. I let it sweep over the top of me whilst they are around and do any venting to my husband. However, if I think I might have done something wrong, I will always approach them to see if we can resolve things. Two of my DIL's suffer with anxiety in crowds so they find social gathering very difficult even though they have known us for over 15 years. I always let them know that their happiness is important and there is no pressure for them to do what they don't want to. I balance it with reassurance that they are very much loved by us. I think sometimes we forget that they are people in their own right with very valid thoughts and feelings.

Smileless2012 Mon 30-Dec-24 15:54:08

How can you possibly know that Grams? Do you know GranJill? Do you know that she believes she's entitled to a relationship with her GC by virtue of being their GM?

There's nothing in her post to suggest that is the case.

Grams2five Mon 30-Dec-24 15:45:15

Usually people who use the bait phrase seem to think they’re entitled to a relationship with other peoples children Norah. Merely bei bf a grandparent doesn’t make it so - thankfully

jocork Mon 30-Dec-24 15:35:07

This type of post makes me eternally grateful for my lovely DiL.

I agree with many on here, don't risk 'pulling her up' on her bad behaviour as you don't want to risk being estranged from your grandchildren. When I first joined Gransnet I was shocked by the estrangement threads as I couldn't imagine families falling out so completely. Recently it has happened to a friend of mine though and he has no idea why. It is so very sad. Unfortunately anyone who is inclined to estrange family will not need a huge excuse in some cases, so I wouldn't want to provoke someone as difficult as this woman obviously is!

Smileless2012 Mon 30-Dec-24 15:09:12

GranJill didn't say how the GC are used as bait Norah, just that they are but we've seen examples over the years here on GN.

BazingaGranny Mon 30-Dec-24 14:39:05

Pussycat777 - you’ve said,

‘The thing is she has cut her own family out even though her mum is ill she was spoilt all her life and had her own way .I'm not an interfering mil and don't just turn up or criticise . I've invited all my family out next week so will see what happens ‘

If your DiL has already cut out her own family, tread very carefully. She may well be overreacting with everyone (I’ll bet she’s cut out friends as well over the years!) and no good at all will come from you ‘having it out with her’ or even having a serious conversation, if she is already a ‘cutter outer’!

In our family, it’s my daughter’s MiL who sets people against each other and will only talk to her own blood relations. Exhausting but I now know that complaining makes her into a victim!

There is a very good book called ‘Toxic Inlaws’ and it really helped me to realise that these people are not unique and that all one can do is smile and wave! Good luck.

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Norah Mon 30-Dec-24 14:33:58

Smileless2012

Only someone faced with making the decision you have could understand how much courage you needed to do so GranJill.

Using children in these situations is the epitome of cruelty not just to you but the children too. How can any parent claiming to love their children use them as bait to further their cruel games?

I hope that for you and fritherdog 2025 brings you some much needed peace flowers.

How are children used as bait?

People's children are part to their family unit, parents allow what they wish.

madeleine45 Mon 30-Dec-24 14:32:33

I think that the important thing is to keep in touch with your son and grandchildren. That is your major concern and so you have a limited sentence. If you keep your goal in mind, it doesnt matter what she thinks or how she sees herself as being in charge of the situation, You know that you just need to keep going until the children are old enough to have a relationship with you , which she doesnt rule. Therefore at the worst you may have to put up with her until they are 18, but probably by early teens , the children - who naturally tend to go against their parents at that age - will be pleased to both have a lovely relationship with you, whilst also really annoying her!! She will get a taste of her own medicine, as they have learnt from an expert!! Take whatever opportunity you can to have time with the children on their own, try to organise days out with them on their own with you. Perhaps you live near enough to offer to drive them to classes or whatever. You win on two levels, It would be seen by most people to be very nice of you to be a taxi service, saving her the job. She cant win that one, either you do it and get your private time with the grandchildren, or she snubs you and has to do all the driving herself, with the children resenting her and her friends (if she has any!) wondering why on earth she wouldnt want the free help and yet no doubt will moan about being a taxi service. She will get no sympathy so I would say that comes as Checkmate!!! Watch and see what interests and hobbies they get into, and of course encourage anything that means they spend time with you and not with her. Do you swim? Dont have to be a world class swimmer, but again a chance to mix in a very open place, so she cannot say you are luring them away, you get a little exercise, they get a chance to go to a different pool perhaps, and of course they will be ravenous when they g et out so you can have a simple meal with them. Dont go for anything extravagent or expensive. She will judge you by her own standards and think you are just using the occasion to cause problems.
Now another quite useful thing that I used to tell my students who were anxious about an exam , such as speaking a foreign language or going for the driving test. What you do is this. Before you go into the room, clench your fists, and your face, grit your teeth and clench your shoulders. As you go into the room, try taking a deep breath, drop your shoulders and relax your muscles. Look directly at the person and in you head imagine them sat on the loo with their pants round their ankles. It invariably brings a smile to your face. No one else knows what you are smiling at , so far they cant see inside your brain! So the horrible daughter in law is amazed that after her rude and ignorant behaviour, you behave like the queen with a smile on your face. The rest of your family and friends are amazed too , that you could behave like a saint with the woman from hell. You have said nothing yet. She cannot answer with a barbed reply when you havent said a word. You can also smile inside as you see how your plan is working. If she starts to be awkward you can nod or , more fun, let her ramble on in her unpleasant way, then when she looks at you for a reply, you say "Oh sorry dear , I was miles away could you repeat the question. Keep thinking in terms of a chess match or a game of whist. The card is on the table and your immediate idea is to put X card down, but if you give yourself time to think you realize that you could play Y. She would be triumphant because she would claim that trick , and she thinks she is winning, but set a sprat to catch a mackarel and then trump all the rest of the tricks and she sits there wondering how that happened. Keep a little notebook at home (locked away so she cant read it) Make a note of what your strategy was that day and how well or not it worked. Of course you will not always win, and some day you may just snap and tell her what a horrible person she is and how no one likes or cares for her and she will end her life on her own. But when you turn it into a game, you can even award yourself marks out of 10. Did it go well and you went through with your plan 8, Did you lose your temper and not follow your plan 2 . Then you can tot up your marks over the years and see which was your best year yet!! If you have a close friend who knows her well, you might let them in on your new strategy and then you will have someone to speak to. You can even do it in front of her, as your friend can just say , oh how did last week go and you just say of about 3 out of 10 or whatever. I would think that she is so selfserving it will probably not occur to her that you mean the day you spent with her. Your friend may have someone in her life who causes problems , so you can just say at the coffee morning, Oh 10 out of 10 this week, or Huh 3 out of 10! If you think this might work do let me know how it goes. Of course as you become more and more adept at this, you will have more fun working out what marks you give yourself and she stops being the centre of attention for you. Hopefully as you become an expert at this, she will get more and more annoyed that she cannot win any more.Every time she starts on some horrible campaign you make Checkmate with a smile. At the very least thinking about whether this is worth trying out has given you a few minutes to put yourself in the driving seat. Good luck!

Smileless2012 Mon 30-Dec-24 14:27:37

Only someone faced with making the decision you have could understand how much courage you needed to do so GranJill.

Using children in these situations is the epitome of cruelty not just to you but the children too. How can any parent claiming to love their children use them as bait to further their cruel games?

I hope that for you and fritherdog 2025 brings you some much needed peace flowers.

GranJill Mon 30-Dec-24 13:55:02

I have been suffering in a very similar manner for 18 years. The Grandchildren are used as a bait. This Christmas a lot has happened and my daughter and SiL saw first hand how cruel my DiL and son have been to me. I have now made the difficult decision to concentrate on my daughter, who unfortunately has no children. I look after my husband with Alzheimer's , and can no longer spend my life walking on egg shells to try and keep contact with the children.

Norah Mon 30-Dec-24 13:38:29

Cossy

“Pulling her up”? She’s not one of your rude children!

She’s an adult and only an “in law”

Be the bigger person and just ignore it, an attempt to address it could badly backfire and affect your relationship with your son.

There’s really no reason why your DiL should be friends with your daughter, I’m not friends with my SiL, though I did try in the early years.

Agreed.

You didn't raise her, she hasn't the same family history as your children. She is certainly not required to like anyone just because they're her husband's sil, bil or mum.

Your son? Does he make plans with you? Blaming one's own children is always harder than placing blame on the newcomer - perhaps look at your son? Concentrate on your relationships with your children.

fritherdog Mon 30-Dec-24 13:37:03

I have one as well. My sympathies are with you. We can’t even see our grandchildren.