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Dying at home from Covid 19

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Pikachu Thu 16-Apr-20 07:38:16

Today’s paper reveal that

“The coronavirus crisis has led to a sharp rise in the number of seriously ill people dying at home because they are reluctant to call for an ambulance, doctors and paramedics have warned.

Minutes of a remote meeting held by London A&E chiefs last week obtained by the Guardian reveal that dozens more people than usual are dying at home of a cardiac arrest – potentially related to coronavirus – each day before ambulance crews can reach them.”

The article goes on to say that in London paramedics usually attend a couple of calls a week where the patient is dead on arrival. Now the numbers are 3-4 every day.

The reason seems to be that people feel they should stay at home, as advised, and even when their symptoms worsen they don’t want to bother an overwork NHS.

Apparently people with underlying health issues like diabetes, asthma, can ‘tip over’ very quickly and for others, even healthy people, the strain of trying to breathe brings on a fatal heart attack.

suziewoozie Thu 16-Apr-20 18:38:10

Fgs why are posters continuing to labour the point over the OP? It’s a interesting issue at its core which we can discusswithout going on and on at the OP. IMO the worst post on here was annies but that was clearly fine and dandy because it was having a go at you know who .

Fennel Fri 17-Apr-20 16:09:38

I'm quite aged and have had a heart attack involving emergency ambulance and ICU.
If God forbid I did have those virus symptoms the worst thing I can imagine is going to A&E. Can't say for sure though, and there are still 2 of us.
I don't even think I would have the presence of mind to ring 999 and be kept hanging on for ages.
No wonder so many vulnerable people choose to die at home in relative peace.

AGAA4 Fri 17-Apr-20 16:24:53

Pikachu. This was discussed this morning. People are afraid to go to A&E as they fear picking up the virus. Matt Hancock has told everyone that the NHS is still open and anyone with a serious illness should call for help and they will be cared for appropriately so that they will not be infected.
Don't usually believe much of what is spouted in newspapers

Fennel Fri 17-Apr-20 19:35:00

Not just that AGA
The last time I went to A&E was last June, with problems of violent vomitting and diahroeia few days after an abdominal operatiot
We were waiting for nearly 2 hours.I was in a mess, and the staff just can't cope. Not blaming them. When I did eventually get seen I had very good care.
I imagine most A&Es are like that.

GrannySomerset Fri 17-Apr-20 19:43:30

If we thought we might have the dreaded virus neither of us wants to be hospitalised. Not because we have elevated thoughts about not burdening the NHS but because, given our ages and other conditions, we would not want intrusive treatment or to die alone and anonymous in a busy ICU. I doubt if we are unusual.

Starblaze Fri 17-Apr-20 20:00:23

Look, I'm a moderate and I currently don't seem to have a party but the Tory voters determination to turn everything into politics is exhausting. People are dying of coronavirus and people are dying because of coronavirus. Those are just facts I am afraid. Stop with the rabidness and let people start discussions. You don't have to participate and if you do and get your knickers all in a twist it's blatantly because you obviously enjoy an excuse to be ugly to someone else.

Yes I like an argument/discussion at times too but no need to get personal.

This sort of nonsense is why I've eaten all the chocolate in the house.

Pikachu Tue 21-Apr-20 22:20:28

Well I’ve just popped in after being slagged off by certain people for no reason. I doubt I’ll be back (watch out for all the good riddance playground jibes) .

Anyone who watched Channel 4 tonight will have seen this very point raised.

Thank you susiewoosie for your kind words.

Pikachu Tue 21-Apr-20 22:26:20

And Maisie for your logic which is sadly missing in some others. Incidentally you said that Pikachu had poured scorn ( or words to that effect) did you mean that? Because I’m sure I didn’t but others did.

Pikachu Tue 21-Apr-20 22:46:16

Actually I am going off as eglantine suggested. I’ve not been on here long but reading through the comments from her, Chewbacca and EllenVannin (ignore the PM I sent you EV querying when I had ever been rude to you because I know I have not) I’ve come to the conclusion that even though there are some nice people on here, I really don’t want, at this dreadful time to be attacked and upset for no reason.

I have enough on my plate at the moment. Coming on a forum like this should be a support especially nowadays, but I admit to being in tears and all because I posted what I thought was something that ought to be aired.

After the unprovoked attack by those mentioned I haven’t been on GN since. But tonight watching TV it seems there is genuine concern about the disparity between overall death rates for this time of year and reported deaths from Covid 19.

So I thought to revisit the thread. So much more nasty comments have been posted since that I really feel I’ve had enough. I can’t cope with this.

midnightschild Tue 21-Apr-20 23:10:27

I don’t think the OP has misrepresented the article at all. It isn’t just talking about people being scared to go to hospital for fear of catching the virus. One of the points that I’m taking from the Guardian article is that at least some of the heart attacks may have occurred in people with Coronavirus who have taken on board initial advice to stay at home. When their symptoms have subsequently worsened they may have still delayed seeking emergency treatment, possibly due to not wishing to burden the NHS. They may have had underlying health problems causing them to be easily ‘tipped over’ or may have had a heart attack because of the difficulty breathing.
It does seem that in some cases symptoms escalate very suddenly and can cause death in a short period of time. If these victims hadn’t tried to just get through it at home some of them could have been saved.