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Dying at home from Covid 19

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Pikachu Thu 16-Apr-20 07:38:16

Today’s paper reveal that

“The coronavirus crisis has led to a sharp rise in the number of seriously ill people dying at home because they are reluctant to call for an ambulance, doctors and paramedics have warned.

Minutes of a remote meeting held by London A&E chiefs last week obtained by the Guardian reveal that dozens more people than usual are dying at home of a cardiac arrest – potentially related to coronavirus – each day before ambulance crews can reach them.”

The article goes on to say that in London paramedics usually attend a couple of calls a week where the patient is dead on arrival. Now the numbers are 3-4 every day.

The reason seems to be that people feel they should stay at home, as advised, and even when their symptoms worsen they don’t want to bother an overwork NHS.

Apparently people with underlying health issues like diabetes, asthma, can ‘tip over’ very quickly and for others, even healthy people, the strain of trying to breathe brings on a fatal heart attack.

Pikachu Thu 16-Apr-20 07:40:08

link for those who want to read the article in full

BlueBelle Thu 16-Apr-20 08:14:31

But surely that’s only to be expected

Pikachu Thu 16-Apr-20 08:24:06

Don’t understand what you are trying to say BlueBelle

Oopsadaisy3 Thu 16-Apr-20 08:30:35

But these people aren’t dying from Covid 19 are they?

I can’t see the why people wouldn’t call an ambulance in an emergency, yes we can ‘tip over’ alarmingly quickly , but my GP called me within an hour last week when I was having breathing problems and as usual told me to call 999 if I worsened.

If people are afraid to go into hospital then that’s a separate issue.

Are you saying that the ambulances aren’t reaching them in time?
Again that’s a separate issue.
The problem with Newspapers is that they are very good at spreading alarm, they use words like, potentially and might be. No hard facts

Pikachu Thu 16-Apr-20 09:01:54

Yes, they are dying from Coronavirus. You haven’t read the link Oops ...

Yes, it says these people are afraid to go into hospital and also they don’t want to overburden the NHS.

Had you taken the time to read my post correctly you will see it is NOT a case of spreading alarm but minute of a *report
from A&E* health chiefs.

What do you think deaths in the community means?

Anniebach Thu 16-Apr-20 09:05:10

Why would they be afraid to go into hospital if they have
Coronavirus?

Eglantine21 Thu 16-Apr-20 09:06:39

No these aren’t Covid deaths.

Pijachu has somewhat rephrased what was a newspaper article to support her own views and doctored the figures rather. It would be interesting to read the actual minutes of the meeting.

For instance, the “one or two a week”.

London ambulance service last year attended over 20,000 code red calls were the patient had no pulse and had stopped breathing. Obviously these weren’t all heart attacks but a large oropotion would have been. I make that around 400 a week,

There is a rise. But Im not sure what Pikachus point is and I dislike inaccurate spin.

Daisymae Thu 16-Apr-20 09:08:37

People are dying for all sorts of reasons. Yes as a direct and indirect result of Covid. Because they don't want to bring additional strain on the NHS or because the don't want to go near a hospital. I also suspect it's because operations and appointments have been cancelled. I know someone in daily agony as their scheduled op was postponed. This crisis is reaping a lot more death and general suffering apart from the obvious.

Firecracker123 Thu 16-Apr-20 09:09:16

Perhaps they want to die at home and not be separated from their family. Perhaps they have serious underlying medical problems and realise they will probably die anyway.

Eglantine21 Thu 16-Apr-20 09:09:43

You haven’t even read your own article Pikachu.

Even The Guardian says the deaths were from cardiac arrest and can only postulate “potentianally” related to Covid 19.

Daisymae Thu 16-Apr-20 09:09:45

Ambulance crews are reporting attending many more deaths in the home than usual.

Chewbacca Thu 16-Apr-20 09:12:47

Erm... I think death in the community means that someone in the community has died. Just like the people in the link you've provided. But like everyone else, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here Pikachu. Some people get sick. Some of those people will have underlying health conditions that make them especially vulnerable. Some of those people, for one reason or another, decide not to call the emergency services for assistance. They die.

Who's door are you trying to lay the blame for this at? And why? confused

Eglantine21 Thu 16-Apr-20 09:13:53

It doesn’t say people are afraid to go to hospital or to burden the NHS. A journalist muses that this might be the reason.

And then you insist it’s an absolute fact.

Dear Lord, what is in some people’s heads.

Chewbacca Thu 16-Apr-20 09:18:06

Eglantine not much sometimes, I think.

Eglantine21 Thu 16-Apr-20 09:21:01

😬

Pikachu Thu 16-Apr-20 09:25:24

OK forget it.

Deaths at home are not up. Cardiac arrests and dead on arrival are not up and even if they were it’s nothing to do with coronavirus.. A&E chiefs are not bothered. The Guardian, that awful left wing paper is scaremongering and all is well.

Fair enough.

Pikachu Thu 16-Apr-20 09:27:14

Incidentally saying ‘seems’ to be is not stating something as fact! Duh!

Pikachu Thu 16-Apr-20 09:27:58

And let’s not get personal dear!

Pikachu Thu 16-Apr-20 09:28:18

Or rude.

EllanVannin Thu 16-Apr-20 09:30:35

What goes around comes around, eh,Pikachu ?

EllanVannin Thu 16-Apr-20 09:32:05

You're the rude one ! Never FFS me !

Gaunt47 Thu 16-Apr-20 09:32:38

Is anyone else getting fed up with the way the media and hence some posters on this forum are politicising the dreadful consequences of this virus?
The assertions we are reading are simply making the situation worse for the worried and vulnerable, and add nothing helpful to the situation we all find ourselves trying to deal with.

Eglantine21 Thu 16-Apr-20 09:33:23

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Chewbacca Thu 16-Apr-20 09:45:17

Even the Guardian article doesn't lay blame anywhere; it simply says that people who have pre existing serious health conditions such as heart problems etc, who would normally go to hospital for treatment, are showing a reluctance to attend hospital during the current COVID situation. And some of them are dying at home. But the article states, quite clearly, that the NHS is urging everyone who has pre existing health conditions to continue to call for assistance because they will be treated at hospital.

And I still can't see anything in that article to get alarmed or het up about or to find anything or anywhere to lay any blame or scorn at. Honestly Pikachu I think you've got it completely a**e about face on this.