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Whooping Cough Vaccine Controversy 1980's

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aussiedreamer Tue 05-Jan-21 16:11:51

Hi! I'm new to Gransnet. Does anyone remember what the Whooping Cough vaccine controversy in the 1970's & 80's was all about? My 2 weren't vaccinated because, as far as I recall the guidance given was not to have them vaccinated if there is a family history of seizures. I'm asking because our daughter is now expecting her first baby & none of the midwives have ever heard about it. Can anyone shed any light on this please?

Purpledaffodil Tue 05-Jan-21 21:45:18

Sons born in 1977 and 80 only had the double vaccination without whooping cough because of the scare about brain damage. Then in the winter of 83 they both had whooping cough at the same time. It was awful, especially as I was pregnant and had an adult version, although I had been immunised against it as a baby. My daughter was born in the following April and I made sure she had the triple after that experience. Although I remember it being a very worrying time for a couple of days after the jab. ?

NotSpaghetti Tue 05-Jan-21 21:47:44

I too remember it well. No internet in those days and I spent hours in the medical library at the nearby university hospital reading and cross-referencing papers, and checking things on the microfiche... I even looked at the major investors of the various vaccines and the other roles they held, where in the world they were used and so on. It was a mammoth task with an infant in one hand!

Don't forget, it was a different age. It was also round about then that fluoride (a waste product) was put in drinking water in some areas to help with caries... they had previously thought adding lead might be a good idea as that also helped teeth... fluoride of course was better and cheaper! Thank goodness.

We really struggled to make a decision. We both read loads, talked to medics in the family and our own GP.

I was only saying to my daughter yesterday how I wouldn't want to go through all that worry about doing the right thing for my family again!

Parenting is truly a very very difficult job.

Callistemon Tue 05-Jan-21 22:29:49

Fluoride drops were handed out free at the Baby Clinics!

We were made to feel as if we were bad parents if we didn't give them fluoride drops, didn't put them on their stomachs to sleep and didn't get them into a 4 hourly feeding routine.

Not having family around I was anxious to do everything right so listened to the Health Visitors and GP.

aussiedreamer Tue 05-Jan-21 23:56:51

Thank you everyone. I know it was definitely the whooping cough one as the MMR didn't come in until around the 90's. As you say, it's nearly 40 years ago now & as they now offer it to the expectant mum & then the baby when they have their other vaccinations it's presumably changed during that time! I'm all for vaccines & always have been, my experience is very similar to Smileless2012 & not a decision we took lightly. My daughter has also looked into this a bit more this evening & found an article which seems to suggest the whole cell vaccine was replaced and they now use an acellular vaccine in part due to concerns about vaccine induced seizures & also the scandal in the 80's that led to them changing it. Apparently the new vaccine has been routinely given to pregnant women in the uk since Oct 2012 and a study of 20,000 women found no evidence of risks to pregnancy or babies.

Grandma2213 Wed 06-Jan-21 03:16:55

My three children were born between 1977 and 1982. I remember clearly at the time I was concerned about the whooping cough vaccine and discussed it with my GP. We were advised that it was best avoided as two of them had eczema. We didn't have the advantage of the internet then but I did try to find out as much as I could. My GP at the time suggested a homeopathic option which I finally decided was less harmful, whether or not it was effective. He was able to prescribe it on the NHS. Otherwise they had all vaccinations available.
None of them ever seemed to catch anything except for chicken pox all within hours of each other and after visiting a cousin who had it! One had a slight measles rash later after his measles vaccination and he also developed one sided mumps which was very mild. We joked that he just had a mump! It must be very hard for parents now with all the conflicting information that is being peddled on the internet.

Dorsetcupcake61 Wed 06-Jan-21 08:05:00

I worked for many years with adults with learning disabilities. We did have one client born in late 60s/early 70s who had a seizure after the whooping cough vaccine and whose disabilities were apparently officially attributed to that. That was the only one I came across. At that time however there were many attributed to the mothers having German measles. Chicken Pox can also have a similar affect,I dont know why we dont routinely vaccinate against it. For some reason I never had it as a child but caught it as an adult when it can have serious implications. Fortunately I had already had my daughters . I know my daughter was asked about chicken pox when she was pregnant.

Franbern Wed 06-Jan-21 08:59:51

I had my eldest three have whatever vaccinations were recommended, My twins were born in 1975, and when they were due for their jabs, it was the height of the vaccination scare. I could not make up my mind - about the whooping cough one - still undecided when I got to Doctors. Said, I was thinking of not having this for them, and waited for him to argue with me (I would have given in if he had), but he did not,

So, they did not have this and I so much regretted it a couple of years later when they both suffered with this horrible illness. Fortunately, they did both come through with no long term effects, but I felt so guilty that I had put them through that.

M youngest (b.1977) had all vaccinations, and all my g.children have anything offered accepted with heartfelt thanks to the wonderful scientists who produce these.

So much anti-vac propaganda is so very very false. That dreadful 'doctor' whose totally, deliberately false so-called investigations caused so many children to suffer and even die, due to them not having the triple MMR. To my mind, he should have been charged with causing suffering and death.

Yiayia4 Wed 06-Jan-21 09:31:00

My eldest ds had the vaccine but because my twins had eczema I was advised by GP not to have it.
At a year old they both had whooping cough and were very poorly for at least 6 weeks.

Tangerine Wed 06-Jan-21 09:56:22

Yes, I remember. My friend didn't have her son vaccinated because of seizures.

bikergran Wed 06-Jan-21 10:11:42

My dd born 1975 had the vacine,still got horrendous whooping cough that lasted 3 weeks solid.

fiorentina51 Wed 06-Jan-21 10:20:41

My son was born in 78. Due to a low Apgar rate we were advised not to give him the Pertussis vaccine. There was an outbreak of whooping cough later that year which he managed to avoid but caught it during the 81/82 outbreak when I was pregnant with our second child. He fell ill in the September of 1981 and wasn't totally clear until the following April. He landed up in hospital at one point, needless to say, baby number 2 had the full range of vaccinations.

Yogagirl Wed 06-Jan-21 10:36:59

Callistemon

Pertussis Vaccine Scare:
academic.oup.com/shm/article/30/2/429/2669669

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

Callistemon Wed 06-Jan-21 10:41:38

?
If I could go back in time, I would have let DD have the vaccination.

Sunnysideup Wed 06-Jan-21 11:15:34

Yes, I remember it well. My kids were born in 75 and 77. I decided against the vaccination for whooping cough because of the controversy. I had whooping cough myself in the 50s and survived and I felt that if I had allowed my children to be vaccinated for whooping cough and they became brain damaged I would blame myself whereas if they caught whooping cough it was an ‘act of God’. They both got it at age 18 months and 3 and it was a nightmare. However, they both recovered well. They both had the measles jab and my son still got measles and was extremely ill!

Alegrias1 Wed 06-Jan-21 11:35:27

Genty

Thousands of babies may have been mistakenly injected with incorrect vaccines in the 1970s, The Observer has discovered.

Confidential records belonging to drug giant GlaxoWellcome show three-month-old infants were potentially given cholera jabs instead of triple vaccines for preventing whooping cough, diphtheria and tetanus.

The company announced last night it would be launching an immediate investigation into the mix-up and the Department of Health also promised to take up the matter. Dr Gordon Cook, an expert in tropical medicine, said it was 'potentially a very serious problem'.

The mix-up is the latest in a series of disclosures about GlaxoWellcome in the 1970s. In July The Observer revealed that thousands of British babies had been given whooping cough vaccine that had not passed crucial safety tests, while claims that sheep and cattle vaccines had been given to Irish babies were blamed on a clerical error.

That's a 20 year old report about something that happened 50 years ago, in a company that doesn't exist any more.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/dec/09/medicalscience.highereducation

Sarnia Wed 06-Jan-21 12:26:23

I have an idea the whooping cough jab was being linked with autism. I know the MMR jab in the 90's certainly was. Autism usually shows itself around the 18 month development stage and is the time when these inoculations were administered. Anti-vaxxers were adding 2+2 and coming up with anything except 4.

annodomini Wed 06-Jan-21 12:45:36

It was only after my two sons, born 1971 and 73 had had all their inoculations that I heard about the controversy over whooping cough vaccine. When my DS2, aged just 2, was in hospital to have surgery on his bowel, I met another mum whose little boy had only recently started having seizures, but it was some time, after I'd lost touch, that I heard about the controversy and put two and two together. If mine had been a bit younger...

Mollygo Wed 06-Jan-21 12:53:52

DD1 was vaccinated, and I was not worried, but our new doctor advised against it for DD2.
She had whooping cough when she was three. It went on for weeks and we hardly slept. I’ve never been so scared in my life-I thought she would die and it would have been my fault. DD1 didn’t catch it despite being in close contact, which made me feel even more guilty.