With UK Covid deaths the highest in Europe, is this living with Covid?

The government has given up any pretence of any public health measures to prevent COVID spreading apart from vaccination , so no wonder our cases are about 10 x higher than anywhere else.

In France we wear masks, social distance, pass sanitaire to do
anything. So this morning after reading this thread I looked
up the figures for yesterday
France 15
Uk 148
says it all really

deaths I mean

vegansrock

The government has given up any pretence of any public health measures to prevent COVID spreading apart from vaccination , so no wonder our cases are about 10 x higher than anywhere else.

Thats how I see it too

One cannot blame the NHS or the Government alone.
The blame lies with the people of this country who are blissfully unaware of the consequences of this deadly virus, and consider that it will not happen to themselves, so are quite happy not to take precautions, because they want to enjoy themselves. Full stop.

I would also think it is fair to say lighttallan that those that have been double vaccinated no longer see it as a deadly virus because that was the whole point of vaccination

lightallan

One cannot blame the NHS or the Government alone.
The blame lies with the people of this country who are blissfully unaware of the consequences of this deadly virus, and consider that it will not happen to themselves, so are quite happy not to take precautions, because they want to enjoy themselves. Full stop.

Why are they unaware, when people in other countries seem more aware?

Zoejory

*For the month of September, the UK recorded 45,066 deaths due to Civd*

Over 45.000 deaths in September? That can't be right.

REPORTED CASES!!! honestly! Get a grip is it likely to be deaths??

halfpint1

In France we wear masks, social distance, pass sanitaire to do
anything. So this morning after reading this thread I looked
up the figures for yesterday
France 15
Uk 148
says it all really

Before we get too smug...

Deaths in the UK aren't running at 10 times the rate of deaths in France. Seven day average of deaths in the UK, 111. Seven day average in France, 32.

Number of deaths in UK on 11th October, 28
Number of deaths in France on 12th October, 68

Picking on one day's data to try to make a point is not a valid thing to do. Says it all really.

Gabrielle56

Zoejory

For the month of September, the UK recorded 45,066 deaths due to Civd

Over 45.000 deaths in September? That can't be right.

REPORTED CASES!!! honestly! Get a grip is it likely to be deaths??

I think it's already been established that the OP made a mistake. No need to shout!

Alegrias1

halfpint1

In France we wear masks, social distance, pass sanitaire to do
anything. So this morning after reading this thread I looked
up the figures for yesterday
France 15
Uk 148
says it all really

Before we get too smug...

Deaths in the UK aren't running at 10 times the rate of deaths in France. Seven day average of deaths in the UK, 111. Seven day average in France, 32.

Number of deaths in UK on 11th October, 28
Number of deaths in France on 12th October, 68

Picking on one day's data to try to make a point is not a valid thing to do. Says it all really.

I didn't pick one day's data. I've looked at averages. There is still a big difference which can't be explained by different ways of reporting or testing.

It wasn't you that I was responding to growstuff, it was halfpint1

Someone coming on to the thread and just reading that post would think things are 10 times worse here than they are in France.

And they're not.

France currently has fewer deaths and cases than the UK on average. The country has also vaccinated a higher percentage of its population.

graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/france/

Alegrias1

It wasn't you that I was responding to growstuff, it was halfpint1

Someone coming on to the thread and just reading that post would think things are 10 times worse here than they are in France.

And they're not.

I agree. They're not, but the UK deaths are still 3-4 times higher.

Yes they do.

Am I the only one who actually wants the correct data to be used instead of random numbers chosen on specific days that make things look worse than they are?

How about this; Scotland has a higher rate of vaccination that France but we still have a higher rate of cases and deaths.

True statement; doesn't help anybody. No context given.

No, you're not the only one! I always try to report accurate data.

Why do you think Scotland has a higher case and death rate than France?

Incidentally, Scotland currently has a lower case rate than most of England. Even the South West, which at one time was relatively unaffected, has higher case rates than Scotland.

I have no idea, given that I'm not an epidemiologist.

But I'm sure people on here will have all the reasons ready to go.

growstuff

Incidentally, Scotland currently has a lower case rate than most of England. Even the South West, which at one time was relatively unaffected, has higher case rates than Scotland.

Yes, I know. Even though a few weeks ago we had scarily high numbers.

Our peak came earlier.

Seriously, I really don't think its a simple, linear relationship. We wear masks in Scotland, England doesn't, France does. Vaccine passports haven't come in yet in Scotland, but rates have dropped exponentially

Nothing's simple.

Whatever, as I said I simply looked at yesterday's numbers, no 'smugness' intended, in France and Italy and other countries we follow the guidelines because we have to and they really don't hurt, in the UK,well........

And Allegra you always jump on my posts in a nasty manner,as I've asked you before please stop it

I wasn't being nasty halfpint1, I was pointing out the inaccuracies in your assumptions.

And any sidelong implications that in the UK we don't follow guidelines is a bit nasty, wouldn't you say? One might even say "smug".

I agree that nothing's simple (and I've already written that).

However, the means of transmission is well understood. Most transmission is airborne and the most frequent places for people to be infected are in closed spaces, such as the home or school. It's also known that there is transmission from asymptomatic people, often before they then go on to have symptoms.

Armed with that information, it shouldn't be difficult to reduce transmission. Just because somebody "knows" somebody, it doesn't mean that others are safe. We've been given the message that it's safe to do anything and we just have to "live with" the consequences. I don't believe that's the right message. It gives people who would rather turn a blind eye an excuse not to do anything.

Alegrias1

I wasn't being nasty halfpint1, I was pointing out the inaccuracies in your assumptions.

And any sidelong implications that in the UK we don't follow guidelines is a bit nasty, wouldn't you say? One might even say "smug".

What guidelines? As far as I can tell, there aren't any. Everybody seems to be using their "common sense", which in some cases doesn't match my idea of sense.

PS. I'm talking about England.

halfpint1

Whatever, as I said I simply looked at yesterday's numbers, no 'smugness' intended, in France and Italy and other countries we follow the guidelines because we have to and they really don't hurt, in the UK,well........

Germany is the same. One of my students lives in Germany and I do weekly Zoom calls, so I have regular updates. Most people just accept that they have to wear FFP2 masks if they go out, even though they are expensive.