Is Gender Critical the new Pro Life?

I would try to reassure her that trans people in crisis themselves arent a danger to her and if that didn't work (whatever the reason because I understand peoples feelings are real and genuine) I'd find her the closest alternative.

Sorry I didn't realise you couldn't come to a common sense answer yourself

At no point, AFAIK, has anyone said that something you have posted has been a lie. Idiotic at times, ill-informed usually, but a direct lie? Whatever I (or others) may have thought, it is a pretty basic rule of debate that calling people liars is not on. Even Boris Johnson is protected against accusations of being a liar.

I am still waiting for some confirmation that this is, or is not, what you are saying. No doubt this will be ignored, alongside the numerous requests for answers to things you've posted that are unclear, yet you are asking for proof that people have been asked by their employers to declare their pronouns? I have no idea how I can provide this.

I'm not sure why I bothered, given the lack of response to basic questions from me, but I looked on Stonewall's Diversity Champions page, and it seems that you have to send off for a pack to get their criteria for inclusions. Feel free to invent a company and fill in their form if you want to see what they have to say - I'm certainly not going to.

Other than getting people to see if they have kept the email from HR that requires them to use preferred pronouns, which (a) I'm obviously not going to do, (b) I couldn't expect anyone to allow a work email to be posted on a public forum, and (c) would scarcely be evidence anyway when cut and pasted onto a message box, there is nothing I can do.

What little respect I had for you after your DARVOing, snide comments, feeble attempts to twist posts and inability to argue logically has completely gone now that you have, to all intents and purposes, called me a liar.

I am not expecting you to like me, trisher, but I have given you no reason to be so bloody rude.

The above post was to trisher.

Where is that Rape Crisis Centre quote from, Chewbacca?

I am certainly willing for trans to have safe spaces. I am not willing for women’s rights to safe spaces to be changed to accommodate people, male or trans who would make women feel less safe.

I'd prefer not to say FarNorth, apart from the fact that it's in England, not Scotland where the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre has the trans CEO.

More passive aggression VioletSky?

Frustration Chewbacca

There is not an inch of give

You're right about that. I refuse to give a centimetre to anyone who thinks it right, or appropriate, to remove any rights from natal women; whether that's the removal of our rights to safe spaces in daily life, refuges, hostels, prisons, safe houses or the right to be seen by a natal woman when undergoing intimate treatment in hospitals, clinics and surgeries. You do what you want.

I will tell you truthfully.

I do not fight for equality only to then try to take it from someone else.

I am a feminist.

Bully for you!

Chewbacca

You're right about that. I refuse to give a centimetre to anyone who thinks it right, or appropriate, to remove any rights from natal women; whether that's the removal of our rights to safe spaces in daily life, refuges, hostels, prisons, safe houses or the right to be seen by a natal woman when undergoing intimate treatment in hospitals, clinics and surgeries. You do what you want.

100% agree Chewbacca but unfortunately there are those people determined to put transwomen's wants above natal women's needs. It's all so one sided in the compromise stakes, only natal women have to shove up, shut up and put up.

VioletSky

I will tell you truthfully.

I do not fight for equality only to then try to take it from someone else.

I am a feminist.

? ? ? VioletSky You may say you don’t, but some of the things you have posted say different.
There are so many different versions of ‘I am a feminist’, you can safely post that with a word of a lie.
I’m a feminist. I support women’s (AHF) rights rather than trying to create a unisex mixture which has the potential to cause fear and harm to natal women.
I support lesbian rights to be lesbian and choose female partners for love and sex because they are lesbian, rather than being forced to accept a male claiming to be a woman. (How can a TW be lesbian? A male wanting sexual relations with a woman is heterosexual.)
As a human I support people’s right to change gender if they want and live as the gender they choose, acting as male or female gender-even on a day to day basis providing they don’t claim they are female, or male and try to override natal women’s rights, which I won’t list again.
I don’t support anything which has the potential to harm children whilst they are too young to fully appreciate what they are doing and what impact it will have on their future.
So you are your sort of feminist. As Chewbacca said, “Bully for you!”

VioletSky

I would try to reassure her that trans people in crisis themselves arent a danger to her and if that didn't work (whatever the reason because I understand peoples feelings are real and genuine) I'd find her the closest alternative.

Sorry I didn't realise you couldn't come to a common sense answer yourself

Was thinking about this.

The problem is violetsky you wouldn’t have the opportunity toto reassure her or to find her another place to go because, knowing that she will have to be in a place where males have access to her and where her fears are not allowed she simply won’t come to that Rape Crisis Centre.

It seems harsh that, in distress and trauma she must go searching for a place where her feelings and fears are understood.

It seems harsh that, in distress and trauma she must go searching for a place where her feelings and fears are understood.

Indeed Peasblossom and those places are increasingly difficult to find, particularly in Scotland. I'm sure that we all remember the infamous "Reframe your trauma" comment from one rape crisis centre.

When I read these posts I can only think what on earth is going on? Why is a perfectly reasonable answer dismissed in such violent and abusive terms? How did we come to this? I know the answer for some will be "It's all the fault of transpeople and transwomen in particular." but can it really be? There's no doubt that transwomen need safe spaces and so do women. It would be great if they could succesfully share spaces but if there are women who are afraid to do so something should be provided for them. If it isn't, is it the fault of transwomen? I would say not. It is the fault of the funders. And there you have the real basis of the problem and it's nothing to do with trans issues. It's to do with austerity and lack of funding for proper services. Which means that those who desperately need those services and those who support them are locked in a never ending battle. Much like the battle over housing, between refugees and asylum seekers on one side, and poor British familes on the other, where one side is accused of taking accommodation they do not deserve.
Meantime as they continue to line their own pockets the right wing white male government sits back, knowing they have succesfully derailed what might have been a real feminist rebellion about refuge funding.

Prepare for the onslaught trisher. You'll be wrong on about 20 different counts, all of varying vitriol.

How do you know they a Male trisher, it's a statement you keep confidently making despite implying it's really tricky for us to know what sex people.

are. Thought I would finish the sentence here

That all Male government are probably somewhere on the spectrum of sex.

Exactly Trisher Trans people just exist... That is not an attack on women.

Why are they being scapegoated

Actually the bitter answers all seem to come from the same couple of posters who keep on spouting lies e.g. TWAW, that are scientifically proven to be untrue.
The same posters sidetracks, e.g. equating a preventative measure with a causative measure or dragging in religion and history. The ridiculous name calling, one example, which I thought was a comment on a spelling mistake I’d made, but evidently might have had a nastier meaning. I didn’t report it because I thought it was pathetic.

The vitriol comes from the same posters. Try not posting your vitriol GagaJo, not dragging in catholics and Nazis, trisher.
Nobody on here is policing what you say but if you didn’t post vitriol, there wouldn’t be any to respond to.
Love your passive aggressive post at 12.05. GagaJo. You just can’t help it can you?

I think you are in danger of introducing cross thread material Mollygo it's strictly against the rules.
Bully for you
people determined to put transwomen's wants over natal women's _needs_
try to override natal women's rights
These are the assertions made about the same couple of posters.
In spite of the fact that they have tried desperately to find accommodations which would fit other people's preconceptions and prejudices and offered reasonable solutions. Unfortunately like all prejudice there is little reason behind it.

Here is a link to information about male transgender prisoners :

www.womenarehuman.com/rising-abuse-sexual-violence-against-incarcerated-women-by-male-transgender-inmates/

"Canada — Serial child sex offender Madilyn Rebecca Harks, previously named Matthew, confessed to about 200 offenses against 60 victims. Harks was incarcerated for the sexual assaults of two girls, ages four and five. While on probation, Harks sexually assaulted a seven-year-old girl. According to the Vancouver Sun, Harks, who has undergone genital reconfiguration surgery, sexually assaulted two female inmates who were “child-like in appearance” while in custody."

Ah I see if you can't say anything to contradict a post change the subject