I haven’t had the Covid vaccine and I don’t know what to do now?

One of the main reasons for so many of the problems the OP sees are the result of the maths of probability and also coincidence.

For example, something like 94% of the population over 12 has had one vaccine shot. I did some quick rough maths with government figures and reckoned that 64 million of the 67 million people in the country have had at least one jab, and about 45 million have had all three.

^I hear of people, young people, who have heart attacks, stroke, chronic fatigue. Cancers which go from being discovered to end stage within months. Women experiencing months of menstrual problems, women having periods again years after menopause!

Withing my circle of friends I know one lady whose daughter had a still born at 8 months, who was told by midwives they have seen an increase in this happening!

The mother of another friend, her mild dementia got worse rapidly and they had to put her into a home.^ Bengalcatowner.

In a population of 67 million where probably 175 million doses of vaccine have been administered, and around 700,000 die every year and many more get headline illnesses but survive, it is inevitable that some people will have heart attacks, strokes and all these other problems within days of having vaccinations, and for all but a tiny handful, there will be no connection between the vaccination and the illness.

It would be quite normal for one maternity hospital to experience a smallrise in still births, it doesn't follow that every hospital is experiencing the same thing, or that it is anything more than natural variation.

A qualified statistician, could actually work out the probability of any of these events being connected, I cannot do the calculations but I know the answer will be very small indded.

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Good analysis M0nica.

If there is one phrase that makes my blood boil, it is "they put her in a home". She's a human being Bengalcatowner, not a stray cat. If she exists at all, of course.

I've never had the vaccine either. People on here would have the jab everyday if some pharmaceutical company told them to. It's been banned for young men in florida that tells you all you need to know

Biscuitmuncher

I've never had the vaccine either. People on here would have the jab everyday if some pharmaceutical company told them to. It's been banned for young men in florida that tells you all you need to know

Source for your assertion Bisvuitmuncher ?
Not that you might be biased of course……

The fact that many people get Covid after having had the vaccination - I did, though very mildly - but it's worth noting that the present booster vaccination has been modified to work against the Omicron variant. I'm hoping that this will keep me and mine safe this winter.

The fact that The fact is that.

I've had all the covid vaccines and due the autumn one on Saturday with the flu one. Last year the flu one caused much more discomfort than usual and more than the covid ones but I've always had it due to nursing as we are recommended to get it. I've had covid once - was ill for 3 days like flu then ok though I still feel a bit out of breath and that was in June. Have seen the pictures of a normal and covid placenta which are really shocking. There is still a lot about this virus that we don't know. Regarding the vaccine, DS hasn't had one and also has had covid once similar to me. I don't know really if it's worth it or not. It was so frightening at the start of the pandemic when so many were dying but we still have a lot to learn. DD1 has not had her children 8 and 5 vaccinated and I'm fully supportive of that as there is not enough research about the effects on growing children. They do have the flu one at school.
I remember working in out of hours in 1999 or 2000, can't remember which, and we were inundated with families seriously ill with flu many of whom were hospitalised. The queues were up and down corridors with very unwell people waiting to be seen. Viruses are b-----s and change all the time!

A lot of people seem to be saying take GP advice. I visited my GP for the first time since a broken ankle 4 years ago as I was concerned that I had polymyalgia rheumatica. I had a painful neck and shoulders after my third booster vaccination several months later (and still have). Blood tests eliminated this but my GP suggested I should not need the covid booster as I was otherwise healthy. He did say I should have the flu vaccination however. The pressure to have the covid booster is massive so even weighing up all the evidence either way I too am now unsure. I agree with ElaineI that we still have a lot to learn about this disease.

Many people do still get Covid even though they have had the vaccination and many of those do still end up in hospital. What the medicos in my family tell me is that there seems to be more deaths amongst those few here who are unvaccinated ( very few in Australia because you had to give up your employment in many cases through 'non-compliance' and they kind of bullied everyone and scared us all into having it). They are people who work in major city hospitals. I caught it a few months after my third vaccination and so did my husband who was extremely ill. What they told us, however, was that it was a different strain. Who knows? There is still a lot of research needed but in the meantime, I would think it is safer to be vaccinated than unvaccinated.

I have been juggling decisions this time, having been very well all through the pandemic and I did have the vaccines as it was my public duty. Small side effects which were good as it proved to me that my body was absorbing the vaccines.

My medic dd is having hers next week, and mine is tomorrow, however she and I chose to have the flu vaccine separately. My flu vaccine is well absorbed by now. I have the paracetamol handy and also the bedsocks as overnight shivering was problematic

Having had flu once as a 26 year old, it is completely flooring and would be hugely difficult now, being elderly. I had my first flu vaccine ever last year. The alternative to being protected is very much worse. The nhs is struggling badly right now, I would not want to be dependent on nhs this winter so I will do everything to help myself as much as possible

Boscuitmuncher It's been banned for young men in florida that tells you all you need to know

Well, yes it does, but not quite what you think. It just tells me a lot about the reasoning powers of the person, who thinks a fact like that is the clincher in an argument.

It hasn't been banned for young men in Florida.

This was talked about at length on another thread.

M0nica so a load of fit young men having heart attacks sits well with you? Okay

Biscuitmuncher

M0nica so a load of fit young men having heart attacks sits well with you? Okay

Oops cross post.

That's not true either. ?

Biscuitmuncher

M0nica so a load of fit young men having heart attacks sits well with you? Okay

How many is a load?

And how many fit young men in Florida died of CoVid?
How many fit young men die of heart attacks in Florida in normal times?
Conversely, how many had the vacine and stayed fit and healthy - no heart attacks and no really bad CoVid?

All these questions have to be answered before the vaccine is proved to be the cause. The studies must go on, but don't assume the result because a study is being done - it is mandatory to study the side effects of all drugs.

Some medical official in Florida stood up and made unsubstantiated claims about the vaccine. He's done it before. His claims were taken apart by many people including Deepti Gurdasani, who i have previously accused on here of scaremongering and over reacting. If she thinks he's overreacting, he's pretty sure to be overreacting. ?

The confusion here is about causation. If someone has a heart attack the day after a vaccination, anti-vaxxers leap on this as proof that the vaccine is dangerous, when all it actually tells us is that someone had a heart attack.

I was hospitalised and left with heart failure due to COVID. Over two years later I am still not right and will be on medication for the rest of my life. I was 54 and never unwell prior to COVID. My cousin died of COVID and I know at least eight other people who died of COVID; one a very fit and healthy 40 year old. Believe me, you do not want COVID.

I think there is now quite a consensus that the vaccine won't actually stop you getting the virus. medium.com/molyneuxpost/who-chief-believes-covid-vaccine-doesnt-prevent-infections-and-spread-of-virus-3383e7dd76c9 The reason for having it is only to prevent you from suffering badly if you do get it, as it mitigates the effects, for about 5 months. Whether we will all be happy to get jabbed every six months for life I am not sure, and I really hope that a more effective vaccine will be produced.

The travel companies need to accept that a fully vaccinated ship will not prevent the virus running right through it. The only reason to accept a vaccine is to protect yourself from the worst effects of Covid.

Anyone under the age of 40, especially men, really needs to weigh of the risks of the vaccine against the risks of covid, because the balance tends to swing the other way for the younger population, and I certainly would not recommend it for children. The UK Government now won't give the Astra Zeneca vaccine, which has largely been discredited, and is moving to Moderna for the boosters. We are in such early stages of the research and to an extent the whole world are guinea pigs, much more will be learnt in the years to come.

BTW the reason that more vaccinated people are hospitalised with covid is that the vast majority of the population have now been been vaccinated!

We are always being told on here that everyone is entitled to an opinion. Well, in a place where that is true, everyone also has a responsibility not to spout disinformation which will influence and possibly frighten other posters. So, here we go:

The vaccine, of any sort, does not mitigate effects for only 5 months. The effects wane, but they don’t fall off a cliff after 5 months. There is no evidence that we all have to be vaccinated every six months. I haven’t had a booster for 11 months, I’m waiting for my autumn one.

I certainly would not recommend it for children. Are you a medic? A vaccinologist? A public health official? No? Then thanks, but I won’t be acting on your advice.

The Astra Zeneca vaccine has not been discredited. We might all want to remember how bad things were 2 years ago, and we had a vaccine that saved lives and protected us from the worst effects of Covid. Now, we may have new ones that do even better. What’s happened is that an even more effective vaccine has been produced. That’s what’s you want to happen B9exchange. That doesn’t mean the earlier ones are c**p, just that the newer ones are even better.

The whole world are not guinea pigs, and saying that makes some people think the whole thing is experimental. That is not the case. This is how new medications are introduced. Calling people guinea pigs is a basic misunderstanding of how research works.

I have had cancer and a pulmonary embolism and had five covid vaccinations, no way would I walk around unprotected with conspiracy theorists spouting rubbish.
I would never go on a cruise but that has nothing to do with covid vaccination.

As others have said, speak to your GP about your concerns and fears and get both jabs, flu and covid.

I have lost work colleagues through Covid, I never lost one through flu or a reaction to any jabs either.

If you genuinely want to go on the cruise next year, or even travel out of the country then get your jabs.

In your place I would make a list of all my properly researched worries and then make a private appointment with a virologist. I would take all my questions and medical notes with me.

I would expect them to be better placed tham my GP to answer things.

It would be worth the money to have a personal answer and a frank conversation with someone who is of that specialty.