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I haven’t had the Covid vaccine and I don’t know what to do now?

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BengalCatOwner Tue 11-Oct-22 18:54:56

I did not take the Covid vaccine as I had a really bad reaction to my first flu jab when I reached that age to get a free one. I was in hospital for three days, and even advised by the doctor not to have flu jabs again.

Sadly I lost two friends with covid cited as a reason, and I have been very careful since March 2020, wearing a mask in crowded spaces and not going out much. All my friends have had their initial two injections, most of them only had a sore arm, some even no symptoms. I had booked myself in twice, but for some reason my experience after the flu injection made me chicken out. Then I started hearing about people getting ill and testing positive even after the vaccination.

I started doing some research on the internet and there are quite a few respectable doctors and scientists warning of the vaccine, how it has emergency authorisation only, the mRNA technique was trialled for other illnesses but never made it to get licensed as it did not work or there were too many side effects.

I hear of people, young people, who have heart attacks, stroke, chronic fatigue. Cancers which go from being discovered to end stage within months. Women experiencing months of menstrual problems, women having periods again years after menopause!

Withing my circle of friends I know one lady whose daughter had a still born at 8 months, who was told by midwives they have seen an increase in this happening!

The mother of another friend, her mild dementia got worse rapidly and they had to put her into a home.

All my friends are getting the booster, and urge me to get my first vaccination. I tell them of my concerns and they say, no, it is totally different to flu, this is a new technique, it is safe, so many people around the world had it and they are all fine!

We are planning to do a cruise next year around the med, something I have always wanted to do, but I need to have had two injections for booking! I am really at a loss what to do!

growstuff Thu 20-Oct-22 23:10:05

Moreover, an organisation called HART was involved with writing Malhotra's article. HART lobbies to promote Covid misinformation and has been shown to be involved in conspiracy theories.

www.logically.ai/articles/hart-files-anti-vaccine-myths-westminster

growstuff Fri 21-Oct-22 00:01:41

Another FactCheck on Malhotra's claims:

fullfact.org/health/covid-vaccines-heart-disease/

Incidentally, Lililikemaho, you asked who checks the FactCheckers. Well, many scientists and statisticians do, including my partner, who is a university professor in biochemistry and peer reviews and checks articles which appear in scientific journals. My daughter's partner is also a senior biochemist, who has spent most of the last two years analysing data on Covid infections and vaccinations and whose work is used by other scientists and official organisations, such as the ONS.

If you've ever tried to read a scientific paper, you'll know that the maths is extremely complex and beyond the average Daily Mail reader or watcher of GB News, which is how maverick scientists get away with their claims.

Lilikemaho Fri 21-Oct-22 06:53:50

Growstuff so the people who have unfortunately died or been harmed by this vaccine is misinformation

Allsorts Fri 21-Oct-22 07:46:18

Vaccines stopped millions if rookie from dying of measles, polio, diphtheria, typhoid. Now some people won't have their babies done and guess what, those diseases are coming back. I have had Covid and it's no picnic. I really think people have a duty to society, it's not just them it's about but the many. You are lucky that you live now and not at a time when people just died on the street as nothing could be done. All the things you mention are just scaremongering by those who would expect to be nursed by someone who has been vaccinated, unless they follow their convictions and refuse treatment.

M0nica Fri 21-Oct-22 08:04:09

The fact that people have died is not misinformation, nor is the fact that far more people die when they do not have the vaccintion. Look how the death rate and hospital admissions tumbled after the vaccination was introduced.

As for deaths after the vaccination. Every year there are around 700,000 deaths in the UK, of course some of these will occur just after someone is vaccinated, whether of COVID or any other vacinatable disease, but that does not mean that the vaccination caused the death.

Anyway, as everyone knows, no vaccination is 100% safe or effective, but they are are far safer and effective than not having the vaccination and catching the disease, whether it be COVID, whooping cough, measles, ebola, or cholera to name just a random handful of the diseases, whose transmission and death rate has been drastically reduced by vaccination, and small pox has been eliminated from human ken. Continuing only in very small quantities in a very few laboratories.

growstuff Fri 21-Oct-22 08:09:56

Lilikemaho

Growstuff so the people who have unfortunately died or been harmed by this vaccine is misinformation

No, it's not misinformation and that's not what I wrote. However, the number of infected people who have died or are now suffering long-term health problems is far, far higher. There is absolutely no doubt that vaccinations have saved hundreds of thousands of lives worldwide.

I suggest you start reading some original scientific papers rather than the cherry-picked "headlines" in media such as the Daily Mail.

Lilikemaho Fri 21-Oct-22 08:29:27

I will repeat i am not anti vax i have had 3 covid vaccines and i have had covid why do people keep mentioning all other chidhood vaccines that have been around for years and properly tested this one hasn't thats the problem and i for one am happy some people are questioning it and also what other vaccine have some people been forced to have to keep their job a bit scary or am i the only one that thinks this isn't right

Grandmabatty Fri 21-Oct-22 08:33:32

There's none so blind as those that will not see. And yes, I mean you Lilikemaho

growstuff Fri 21-Oct-22 08:49:51

Lilikemaho

I will repeat i am not anti vax i have had 3 covid vaccines and i have had covid why do people keep mentioning all other chidhood vaccines that have been around for years and properly tested this one hasn't thats the problem and i for one am happy some people are questioning it and also what other vaccine have some people been forced to have to keep their job a bit scary or am i the only one that thinks this isn't right

Of course it's been properly tested! It's only conspiracy theorists - and the ones who believe their tripe - who think that it hasn't.

The Covid-19 vaccines have probably been the most questioned interventions ever. The amount of data which has been collected is mind-boggling. I don't think there has ever been a time when so much expertise has been focussed on a single issue.

There are risks with every single medical intervention, but compared with some procedures, the risks of Covid vaccines are miniscule - and the data exists which shows that. The risk of death or serious health damage from being infected with Covid is much much higher.

People who don't want to be vaccinated should seriously question themselves - and not inform themselves from secondary sources. There is a tiny handful of people for whom vaccination is not advisable.

argymargy Fri 21-Oct-22 08:56:21

Grandmabatty

There's none so blind as those that will not see. And yes, I mean you Lilikemaho

Exactly @Grandmabatty !

M0nica Fri 21-Oct-22 15:44:57

Lilikemaho The Ebola vaccine hasn't been around for years.

Anyway, what difference does that make? All vaccines have to have a start point whe they are widely used but have no history in use. COVID has only been around for less rhan three years so they could hardly have developed a vaccine and tested it before it existed.

That you say that it hasn't been properly tested is nonsense. My DH was part of the extensive trials that took place before it was released.

I cannot tell whether you know anything about research in to vaccines and viruses, it doesn't sound as if you do, but for years scientists have been researching new ways of developing vaccines, so that when new diseases like COVID appear, it is possible to develop vaccines against them as quickly, if not faster, than their success with COVID.

This is not the first time this has happened. Back in 2014-2016 there was an epidemic of ebola and many of the techniques used to rapidly produce a COVID vaccine, were used then to produce a vaccination against ebola. I think they managed it in under a year, obviously they have been able to speed it up since then - and surely that is what one would expect.

I am sorry but most of your arguments against the COVID vaccination are old fashioned and out of date, as if you are reading material that is several years old. Catch up with recent research. You probably will not change your mind, but it might make you think twice about resurrecting long dead arguments that are best left where they died

Lilikemaho Fri 21-Oct-22 18:04:44

Omg you lot are well and truly taking in and my ??are well open

volver Fri 21-Oct-22 19:03:53

Are the four eyes a side effect of the vaccine? ?

Lilikemaho Fri 21-Oct-22 19:48:50

Aye probably is ?

M0nica Fri 21-Oct-22 19:50:44

Lilikemaho that is what delusional losers always say when we counter their every unproven theories with the refreshing cold water of accuracy and scientifically supported and citateable links.

Lilikemaho Fri 21-Oct-22 21:07:00

The chickens are coming home to roost

Lilikemaho Fri 21-Oct-22 21:09:09

It will all come oot in the waaash

M0nica Fri 21-Oct-22 23:11:28

... and you will be in the suds.

Whiff Sat 22-Oct-22 05:43:12

The answer is simple have the vaccine or not. If you choose not them don't moan if you get Covid .

And I would point out all the childhood vaccines when first developed and give the tests for them weren't as stringent as they are with today's vaccine. That's not based on statistics but common sense. Medical knowledge and testing has advanced so much since I was first vaccinated when a child now 64 .