I haven’t had the Covid vaccine and I don’t know what to do now?

Lathyrus

anti Vaxers

not Star Wars

I quite liked the idea of anti-Vaders!

Raggletagglegypsy

Please watch this world health council conference. It is not anecdotal. The government are paying out for vaccine damage and death. The EU are also discussing risks of this vaccine. The general media do not discuss it. There are many reputable medical consultants discussing this now.

So what are you suggesting? That governments should stop vaccinating people and prevent them from having the only known means of lessening the severity of Covid? Can you imagine how much the class action lawsuit would cost, if people started suing their governments for stopping them from trying to protect themselves?

There are only two alternatives, if people aren't vaccinated:

1 Have no restrictions on anything, let the infection run rife and let it kill the vulnerable.

2 Lock up the population in their homes - with strict enforcement - until the virus has no opportunity to transmit.

Neither of the above is realistic or acceptable.

Incidentally, the French government has instigated an enquiry into the lab which promoted hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for Covid. This was picked up by anti-vaxxers, including Trump, and did a huge amount of damage.

www.chemistryworld.com/news/french-inquiry-censures-lab-that-promoted-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid/4016238.article

Oh in the UK. Should have made that clear.

anti Vaxers

not Star Wars

nanna8 The fact that the government has set up a damages scheme shows that it is acting responsibly and is anticipating very few claims. If it seriously thought that there is a significant number of people who have been damaged, it would do the cost risk benefit analysis and stop vaccinations from being given.

There is a risk with every single medical intervention. Over 12 billion doses of Covid vaccination have been given worldwide. A miniscule percentage have ended up causing serious damage.

Death attributable to Covid vaccination to Sept 22 = 13

Death attributable to Covid infection = 191,000 (actually a more than that, nearer 192,000 but I couldn’t remember six figures after leaving the statistics page)

But I know anti-Vader’s will say the figures are false anyway.?

Our government has set up a scheme whereby you can claim for damages caused by the Covid vaccine so there obviously is an issue for some. They are not known for their generosity so I would think there certainly are quite a few affected. We need to be aware of this when weighing up risks of vaccine use. I took the risk but others may not wish to.

I give up.

Please watch this world health council conference. It is not anecdotal. The government are paying out for vaccine damage and death. The EU are also discussing risks of this vaccine. The general media do not discuss it. There are many reputable medical consultants discussing this now.

PhD. Dr Volver, that's me.

As much an authority on Covid Stats as our own dear Dr John.

volver

I think its childish. It's how we used to refer to the GP when I was 8.

It's another way of pretending he's a nice cuddly chap with your best interests at heart, not like those nasty medical people out to get you.

Well that’s me told then. Can I ask, by the way, what your actual scientific qualifications are given that you’re the expert that I should be listening to?

John Campbell is a 'doctor'. He has a PhD - just not in medecine. My DS is a 'doctor', but he only claims to be an expert in the field he got his PhD in, and even then, acknowledges those who know even more than him!

I think its childish. It's how we used to refer to the GP when I was 8.

It's another way of pretending he's a nice cuddly chap with your best interests at heart, not like those nasty medical people out to get you.

I apologise. I call him Dr John. Having been reprimanded I shall, in future refer to him by the name you wish me to use….

If the vaccination reduces the seriousness of COVID, so that people have it for a shorter time, it reduces the time they can pass the illness on, so they will pass it on to fewer people and thereby reduce transmission.

So whatever any drug manufacturere did or did not say, all vaccinations in fact reduce transmission.

Yes I know that Dr Campbell had Prof Spector on. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I've never said he was a completely loose cannon, but I do believe he oversteps the limits of his knowledge. I gave up on him around the time of the Ivermectin debacle.

Dr John was a jazz musician. The man we are discussing is called Dr Campbell.

Well, Tim has asked/allowed Dr John to show his ZOE App statistics on his blog so he can’t think that he’s the complete loose cannon that you do volver. They sometimes do web chats together which are quite interesting and informative. It was DrJohn early in the pandemic who advised people to get an oximeter, advise that some of us passed onto others. I don’t recall any of the governments scientific advisers telling people about them and I’m sure that advice saved lives.

I was.

I wasn't talking about dr john Campbell

Tim Spector is a proper scientist giving summaries of his work and research. John Campbell (for instance ) is an educator with no background in medical research who likes to be thought of as important.

I don't know how you tell the difference. But there is a difference and there is nothing preventing anyone saying anything they like on YouTube.

I, as you all know, watch a lot of utube stuff. Tim Spector is on utube talking about the results from his ZOE App. The government used that until recently and his data is always slightly ahead of the ONS. I also listen to lectures from California University that I find very interesting. I’ve always tried to live a health lifestyle and I don’t see a problem with turning to utube for advice. They’re currently coming down very heavily on anyone advising people to not have the vaccine.

We had our boosters yesterday. We had Covid in the summer and although it didn't feel anything more than a cold, we were both extremely lethargic for 2/3 weeks after we tested negative.

I feel safer and more confident going out knowing that I'm vaccinated.

I hope your D feels better soon nanna.

My daughter, who has had 4 vaccinations, has just got her first dose of Covid . She has no idea where she got it and she is pretty sick. They have stopped ordering us around and no one is wearing masks anymore but they also neglect to warn us or inform us about anything connected with Covid. One extreme to the other. It is a pity it all became politicised in my country.

volver

WATCHING YOUTUBE IS NOT RESEARCH!!!

Has your head on wall meme been retired? It seems entirely apposite.....

Volver YouTube isn't researching why so rude i have had all the covid vaccines by the way i think we most definitely need to research and i did say this YouTube video is very interesting