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Record Numbers Not Working Due To Ill Health

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NanaDana Tue 16-May-23 13:38:09

The Office for National Statistics has indicated that the figures for the period January to March 2023 show that the number of people not working in the UK due to long-term sickness has risen to a new record high of approximately 2.5 million. One major factor in the significant rise is the Covid pandemic. Since it started, there are well over 400,000 more people who are now outside the labour market. There has also been a notable rise in the number of young people with mental health issues. Reference was also made to an increase in musculoskeletal difficulties.. "problems connected to the back and neck”, with a suspicion that this may be related to largely sedentary home-working, and to lack of exercise and reduced mobility. The impact of post-viral fatigue, or “Long Covid” also features in the report. How do these figures relate to your own life experience?

Whiff Sat 20-May-23 07:27:51

I have had pains in my legs my whole life and fallen a lot. My health got worse in 1988 aged 29 and couldn't control my limbs . They jerked never had any warning. My daughter was 4 and son 6 months old. 2 months later spent 3 weeks in hospital due to uncontrollable pain and jerking limbs. Had tests but those 3 weeks are a blur. Not allowed to see my children hospital rules because of their ages. Had a nurse shout at me as I was crying I missed my family she said stop making a fuss your only have post natal depression. I had not . Luckily allowed home next day.

We had a brilliant GP who believed me as he had know me a long time. I had had Drs tell me over the years I was attention seeking,mentally ill ,making a fuss over nothing and putting it on.

My GP asked me to a psychiatrist so he could them send to me other consultants. My husband hated that. We joked I had a certificate to say I was sane as the psychiatrist said my problem was physical not mental.

Our GP said to claim DLA as it was in those days. Turned down as no diagnosis. After seeing different consultants my GP sent me to see the best neurologist in the country at the time at neurological hospital London. After a week of testing couldn't tell me what was wrong but what I hadn't got. But at these he started me on tablets to try and help my symptoms. This was 1992. Didn't see another neurologist until 2017 after 2 of the tablets I had been taking gave me jaundice and was told on discharge after 5 months of being seriously ill from my gastrologist people with my bilirubin levels normally died.

My husband died in 2004 from cancer . I tried many time to get disability benefits. Turned down everything time. No diagnosis.

After moving house 3.5 years ago my neurologist put me on a tablet and after 32 years of limb jerks and 4 months of full blown seizures my body was still it's been bliss the last 3 years. He had my blood genetically tested in 2020 but didn't get the results until March last year. April I finally have a diagnosis and I was born with a rare hereditary neurological condition. Plus found out in 2020 because my new GP sent me to see a cardiologist I was born with a hole in my heart but it's not in the chambers connecting my heart but a little flap that should have closed before birth didn't it's between my lungs and heart. On tablets for PAF. I don't get chest pain so safer to level the hole alone.

Applied for PIP turned down and yet my condition has effected me my whole life and makes everyday tasks difficult and am in constant pain with my left arm and leg and have been since 1988. MRN turned down been waiting since September for tribunal date. Luckily the Brain Charity are helping me and have a wonderful solicitor. Because what money my husband left me is long gone and what mom left me has gotten so low can claim universal credit. My interview was in my local job centre and the lovely woman after seeing me said in future we would have telephone appointments. Just received the health forms and the Brain Charity will help me fill them in.

I have been fighting 35 years for disability benefits but I am not alone there are tens of thousands of people like me who are entitled to benefits. But because those people who judge us refuse to see us in person no disabled person will get a fair deal. Until disabled people write the PIP forms and disabled people are assessors no one is treated fairly.

Able bodied should realise anyone can become disabled physically or mentally or both at anytime in their lives. I would love them to be treated the way I have been. Even when my husband was terminal it was only thanks to our McMillan nurse we got DLA and carers allowance. They where going to turn him down because he had been given 4 months to 2 years to live. The woman on the phone no point him applying as he had years. He didn't live the 4 months .
When I was my mom's full time carer as she lived with me the last 18 months of her life she had breast cancer and dementia. I was only allowed 6 months allowance because I was told my mom would get better. My mom's dementia turned her violent the last 4 months of her life where hell on earth but I couldn't put her in a home . I looked after her on my own until she died aged 90.

Bitter about the lack of disability benefits and the people who seal our fate you bet I am bitter.

I have had a blue badge since 1988 when it was orange and had no trouble renewing it every 3 years. I don't drive and have to perch on the edge of the car seat and my legs out in and out and helped out. I don't know unless I get PIP if I will get it this year when it needs renewing in December because the rules have been changed. But I will fight to get it.

Yes this is a rant those like me who need help don't get it but those who play the system and lie do. Did you know Ukraine nationals who have escaped the war to come here can claim PIP as the recorded message kept telling me when I was on hold for over a hour 2 months ago. It said Ukraine nationals don't worry your PIP payments won't stop. 😡😡😡😡😡

And before anyone has a go at me this is my experience and what has happened and still happening to me.

Wouldn't believe how badly my sister in law who has had MS for over 20 years has been treated and has to use a wheelchair to go out.

So don't judge disabled people. I look normal until I move. There are a lot of disabled people who look 'normal' but have a lot of health problems not all disabilities can be seen but they are real .

PamelaJ1 Sat 20-May-23 07:35:18

Whiff & M in Y I think that we all on here absolutely get it, not all the long term unemployed are equal. 💐💐

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 20-May-23 09:06:13

Indeed.

volver3 Sat 20-May-23 09:23:24

Perhaps then, some posters will consider why other posters feel that they are being targeted.

Maybe because the first reaction in this thread to a lot of people being reported as too ill to work is that they must be malingering. It might make people reconsider their knee jerk responses.

Oh look, a flying pig.

Rainnsnow Sat 20-May-23 10:00:58

I hope reading this thread has informed people that being sick isn’t a choice but a thing thrust upon them. Working until you drop because you know you will be judged will make the consequences worse. If someone says to you they have a bad back it may be a stock answer. Why should they bare their sole to you . Gp give prescriptions of the gym and gardening. Would you rather all the ill were hidden away. They are part of society and need to be treated respectfully not judged.

Aveline Sat 20-May-23 10:01:25

I don't think posters here are deliberately targeting other poster with disabilities. I suppose I'm cross with the percentage of chancers who give all applicants a bad name. The right people don't seem to be involved in the crucial decision making. The long dispiriting journey through the application procedure is awful too.
I've been very sorry, when I was working, to see people just give up on applying. I've had to encourage people to apply. So many seem to think that benefits are not for them. I've been very struck by brave people (invariably women in my experience) who just battle on in awful circumstances.

Rainnsnow Sat 20-May-23 10:20:32

On here views are being shared about ill people. They usually are an easy target as it’s straight forward to see . What about tax dodgers, it takes money out of the system. This is the crux of the matter. Some none ill people think they have a say how that tax is spent. Lots of underhand legal tax dodges goes on but most are not privy to the evidence. The ill and infirm are an easy target for bitter people.

VioletSky Sat 20-May-23 10:30:08

Aveline

I don't think posters here are deliberately targeting other poster with disabilities. I suppose I'm cross with the percentage of chancers who give all applicants a bad name. The right people don't seem to be involved in the crucial decision making. The long dispiriting journey through the application procedure is awful too.
I've been very sorry, when I was working, to see people just give up on applying. I've had to encourage people to apply. So many seem to think that benefits are not for them. I've been very struck by brave people (invariably women in my experience) who just battle on in awful circumstances.

Urgh I hate any version of

People who do this give all of that minority group a bad name.

Stop justifying prejudice and discrimination using an element that has nothing to do with the actual minority group

It's gross

Rainnsnow Sat 20-May-23 10:33:11

Both long Covid and a bad back are used as a supposedly easy answer. Both are answered from evidence. Blood test, observations from specialists and mri and ct scans . If you are not educated in any of this field you won’t know how these diagnoses are constructed.

Rainnsnow Sat 20-May-23 10:35:56

Violet sky nailed it .

Aveline Sat 20-May-23 11:43:14

What are you on about now VioletSky? How have you 'nailed it'? I can only assume you didn't understand my post.

Rainnsnow Sat 20-May-23 11:48:14

Re read ur post Adeline. All , it’s judgemental. If u worked in an environment and came across ill people you were bias using that mentality.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 20-May-23 11:58:03

Can someone translate that post by Rainnsnow please?

VioletSky Sat 20-May-23 12:04:29

Some bloke claiming he has a bad back when he doesn't does not give all claimants a bad name

That's ridiculous thinking that should be re-examined

I've tried to explain this to people before but it would be fair to say that those who have disabilities on this thread would not be hurt by some of the comments if people were capable of the simple logic that someone committing benefit fraud and those who have genuine need are completely separate

Norah Sat 20-May-23 12:04:45

Rainnsnow

On here views are being shared about ill people. They usually are an easy target as it’s straight forward to see . What about tax dodgers, it takes money out of the system. This is the crux of the matter. Some none ill people think they have a say how that tax is spent. Lots of underhand legal tax dodges goes on but most are not privy to the evidence. The ill and infirm are an easy target for bitter people.

How did tax dodgers enter this thread? Perhaps define -- legal dodging, evading and avoiding taxes -- to start.

VioletSky Sat 20-May-23 12:05:01

Germanshepherdsmum

Can someone translate that post by Rainnsnow please?

Oh give it a rest

Rainnsnow Sat 20-May-23 12:10:18

It’s all about money.

paddyann54 Sat 20-May-23 12:11:26

You have no idea what other people are living with so have no right to judge.My lovely daughter was the healthiest child in the world the only illness she had was german meassles that her brother brought home from nursery and kindly shared with her
Her adult life is very different ,she is mainly bedbound dependent on her children for a lot of her care as her OH works abroad for most of the year .
She had to fight to get PIP ,she didn't want the money BUT she wanted a blue badge and she couldn't get one in her area without a diagnosis and a corresponding benefit .
It was a long hard fight and she eventually was awarded the lowest amount and got her blue badge,
That didn't stop people swearing at her calling her a fat cow and worse and telling her to exercise to lose the weight ...caused by medication .Seems if you have a nice car and a blue badge you must be a scrounger ! Nothing could be further from the truth.
I would challenge anyone who thinks she's a scrounger to swap places with her and live with the excruciating pain she lives with daily while still trying to give her kids a happy life .
Not all illnesses are visible ,just realise how lucky you and yours are if they have good health.

Mollygo Sat 20-May-23 12:13:54

VS or vs
If people were capable of the simple logic that someone committing benefit fraud and those who have genuine need are completely separate.
People know that.
You have never been able to explain how you can tell the difference any more than they can.

Rainnsnow Sat 20-May-23 12:20:15

Paddyann54, sorry to hear your daughter had to endure all that . I hope reading this thread has given judgemental people a different perspective.

VioletSky Sat 20-May-23 12:20:15

You can't tell the difference

That's why not being sanctimonious, prejudiced and discriminatory helps

Because you can walk down the street without seeing a blue badge and giving some poor sod a hard time because they don't look disabled to you

Rainnsnow Sat 20-May-23 12:29:16

Well said violet sky.

daughterofbonniebelle Sat 20-May-23 13:02:18

A physio I know had a shoulder injury & couldn’t practise. She got a job assessing sick people for benefits. If the applicants, no matter what condition, eg motor neurone disease, schizophrenia, MS or anything else, said they could walk to the shops, they didn’t get the benefit.

Rainnsnow Sat 20-May-23 13:07:28

Says it all .

Rainnsnow Sat 20-May-23 13:08:19

About money not evidence of conditions