The other C word (Covid)

MissChateline

I don’t know if everything around you closed down but it didn’t around me. Shops stayed open and public transport continued. Essential workers continued to work and I’m sure many more would have done so if they hadn’t been confined to home

Police here were checking people in supermarkets here, asking where they had travelled from. One woman was fined because she had travelled from a different town, only three miles away. She should have shopped in her local supermarket, according to the police.
Lifer was not normal, neither was public transport.

I really think you should read some more reputable research into the effects of C19, MissChateline. Then you might rethink the rather ignorant comments you have made about its effects.

As growstuff pointed out earlier, it is known to be able to attack any organ in the body, which not only makes it completely different from colds and flu, but also has serious long term implications for those who suffer even mild episodes. Bearing this in mind, and knowing that people of any age, including children, can get covid it has always seemed to me that our government's relatively casual attitude to it and its current determination to ignore the fact that it is still rampant, killing people or radically changing their lives, I think we're storing up a lot of trouble for the future.

These vulnerable people are often very isolated already” why do they expect the rest of society to close down when those with vulnerabilities are already shielding.

I have never expected anyone to restrict their activities, due to my vulnerability. What I had hoped for was some compassion and empathy, which is sadly lacking in some posters.

May I assure you that I’m not lacking in any compassion or empathy for those who had to shield through pre existing health issues. I just think it’s unreasonable for everyone to have to do this to shield the fewer.
I suggest that people have a look at some of the research into how the government scared the living daylights out of everyone when they didn’t know if it was necessary

I couldn’t agree more Marydoll. I remember *Miss Chateline*’s comments when she was happily ignoring the rules. People with that sort of attitude are a threat to everyone - it wasn’t by any means only people with known comorbidities who died or were left permanently damaged by covid. Her I’m all right Jack attitude sickens me.

Not lacking in compassion or empathy? Whilst expecting vulnerable people to live in isolation so you can get on with your life?

Germanshepherdsmum

I couldn’t agree more Marydoll. I remember *Miss Chateline*’s comments when she was happily ignoring the rules. People with that sort of attitude are a threat to everyone - it wasn’t by any means only people with known comorbidities who died or were left permanently damaged by covid. Her I’m all right Jack attitude sickens me.

I remeber those posts too, that's why I am so annoyed.

“Whilst expecting vulnerable people to live in isolation so you can get on with your life?”
If vulnerable people are in isolation anyway why do they expect everyone else to do the same. Even if they are not vulnerable. This is selfish.
How many of you would take part in a medical trial, with all the risks involved , of a new Covid vaccine in order to find a vaccine which protects everyone better including the vulnerable?


No, I was never a threat to anyone.

Sorry the last sentence was part of something else. But I was never a threat to anyone.

MissChateline

“Whilst expecting vulnerable people to live in isolation so you can get on with your life?”
If vulnerable people are in isolation anyway why do they expect everyone else to do the same. Even if they are not vulnerable. This is selfish.
How many of you would take part in a medical trial, with all the risks involved , of a new Covid vaccine in order to find a vaccine which protects everyone better including the vulnerable?

No, I was never a threat to anyone.

I have been part of a number of medical trials, they will not help me, but will hopefully help others. I just don't preach, nor boast about it. about it.

I have taken part in a medical trial too.

You can’t possibly say you were never a threat to anyone MissC. You may have had covid and been asymptomatic. What about all those lockdown-ignoring builders and their families and others they mixed with for a start?

Marydoll

MissChateline

“Whilst expecting vulnerable people to live in isolation so you can get on with your life?”
If vulnerable people are in isolation anyway why do they expect everyone else to do the same. Even if they are not vulnerable. This is selfish.
How many of you would take part in a medical trial, with all the risks involved , of a new Covid vaccine in order to find a vaccine which protects everyone better including the vulnerable?

No, I was never a threat to anyone.

I have been part of a number of medical trials, they will not help me, but will hopefully help others. I just don't preach, nor boast about it. about it.

There’s a lot of people out there, quietly taking part in all sorts of medical trials, which won’t necessarily benefit them personally. Either because it’s too late for them but maybe not for someone else, or because they might get the placebo not the hopeful drug.

Taking a risk because there’s not just them in the world with whatever the medical condition is.

My husband was one with chemotherapy. It didn’t work for him. I was part of the first Covid vaccine trials. My children are part of a long term trial.

We’re just a few of many who care about other people, not just ourselves.

Marydoll

*Maddyone*, (and Nanna) thank you for your supportive post. Selfish and uncaring posts can be quite unsettling. Thank goodness I am a very resilient person!

Mom3, what a rotten end to your holiday.💐

A Rine or Danube cruise has always been on my bucket list, along with coach tours around Britain, (can't get travel insurance.) but the possibility of catching Covid has caused them to be put on hold.

It was on our bucket list too, Marydoll but three people we know have come back from different river cruises with Covid. One was very poorly indeed.
Oddly enough, their partners didn't catch it.

Builders and other tradesmen were never banned from working. My toilet cistern failed right at the beginning of lockdown. As it happened it took 6 weeks to get a part. Should I have lived with no working loo for several months? What would you have done?
The builders were desperate for work. I was very lucky that my project manager was able to get the very best builders, fitters, electricians, gas fitters, plumbers, decorators etc as so many people were cancelling work. None of these workmen would have broken the law because it wasn’t illegal for them to work.
I have my own reasons for being so angry about the situation where so many sacrificed so much for the few. Covid will always be with us. It will continue to mutate. People will die from Covid as they will from flu and other illnesses. Do you want us all to remain in isolation forever?

What is difficult to understand here is how anyone can think that Covid is not dangerous to many people. I have asthma but wasn’t shielding, but I caught Covid despite taking great care and following all the rules. I was in a bubble with my elderly mother who had a fall, was admitted to hospital and came home with Covid, despite us being told she had tested negative. My husband (also in her bubble) visited to move furniture around in order to make room for her new walker, he got it, wasn’t very ill, I got it and was seriously ill. Hospitalised for twelve days, nine different drugs, on oxygen all the time, pneumonia on my lung. Sorry for repeating this but some posters seem to not understand. Posters who say they never had Covid and broke all the rules could have been the reason I and others were so ill. People were spreading this probably because they didn’t know they had it. Imagine if I was so ill, what might have happened to someone like Marydoll and others who needed to shield?
It’s utterly selfish to say I was alright Jack. A pandemic can only be tackled by people working together and following the rules. Millions of people did just that, why did some feel it was their right to break the law?

We are all going to have to accept that covid is here to stay. We can’t control it and never should have tried to the extent we did. Perhaps if we hadn’t tried to suppress it more people would have developed natural immunity and it would not be such a problem now. Who knows? What is clear though is if we hadn’t overreacted the country would be in a much better financial situation than it is and children wouldn’t be suffering from all the severe mental health problems with now have. No cost/benefit analysis was ever done. And not content with ruining the country people are still scaremongering.

MissChateline, I’ve found your comments inaccurate and totally lacking in understanding or compassion.
A friend in his late 40’s, a fell runner, cyclist, non smoker, occasional glass of wine, healthy diet, no underlying health problems etc got covid. A year later he was still in hospital.

The virus can be like a heavy cold or flu but unlike cold/flu this virus can attack your organs and cause life changing health problems.

As for those of us who are CEV ‘choosing’ to self isolate. Your cold, clinical comments could be hurtful, if your views had any power over us.

The problem put simply, as I see it is that people who are CEV think we should all remain permanently in lockdown to protect themselves and if we don’t, we are being selfish. Alternatively those of us who aren’t CEV think this is unrealistic.

I’m not cold neither am I clinical. I do not think for a moment that I have any power whatsoever. We are all entitled to our own opinions.

MissChateline

The problem put simply, as I see it is that people who are CEV think we should all remain permanently in lockdown to protect themselves and if we don’t, we are being selfish. Alternatively those of us who aren’t CEV think this is unrealistic.

I’m not cold neither am I clinical. I do not think for a moment that I have any power whatsoever. We are all entitled to our own opinions.

Where is anybody saying we should be permanently in lockdown? Your views are leading you to make extreme statements about what other people think with no evidence whatsoever 🙄

Was a total lockdown a mistake? People are going to debate that for years to come. What I do know, through having family in the medical profession, is that in those first weeks hospitals were overwhelmed. Not just with patients needing intensive cate but with staff sickness. Numbers were continuing to rise until lockdown was put into place and then admissions slowed.

Now, you may believe it would have been better to let more people die and suffer long term effects so that you could contine with your normal life.

You may believe that the economic costs of lockdown were greater than the economic costs of an unknown higher death rate and level of disability in the work force. But I suggest that this is a debate, not a fact as you present.

Your beliefs and life ethos are, of course, your own.

this has never gone and i read the other day its on the rise again and a new varient has also been confirmed here

We have just come back from a cruise with covid. In the last couple of days of the holiday, I thought I just had a really bad summer cold as I had all the usual symptoms, sneezing, nose and eyes streaming and even a cold sore on my lip. However, we tested on our return 'just to be on the safe side' and immediately tested positive. We have not been outside the house till we got a negative result.
We both had covid last year, but these symptoms seemed much different other than the tiredness, and we have both had all 6 vaccinations that have been offered. I will continue to test whenever I feel it necessary

What is the medical definition of 'herd immunity'? Does it mean that if you catch Covid, then you won't ever catch it again? That has so not happened. Nurses, Teachers, Care Workers have been catching it again and again and again.

growstuff

MissChateline

Am I right in believing that Sweden didn’t lock down, didn’t close schools etc and their outcome was better than here in the UK. They expected the population to take responsibility for themselves and they did. We should never have destroyed our economy or subjected the population to the torture of enforced isolation which has resulted in such a high level of mental health issues and wrecked the education for so many of our children.

No, you're not right. Large gatherings (more than 8 people) were banned. Secondary schools and institutes of higher education were recommended to work online and eventually closed for a period. The number of deaths in care homes was high and eventually people were recommended not to visit their relatives and were then banned. Initially, face masks weren't recommended but eventually they were. People were advised to work at home if they could and about 50% did. Social distancing was recommended and there were restrictions on travel.

Yes, what fools my husband, myself and my 4 children were to stay at home and FOLLOW THE RULES. My 2 eldest going through uni and my 2 youngest in their last years of secondary school. All 4 going through exams. How stupid of us to leave my 83 year old Mum practically isolated to try and keep everyone safe.
Of course my Mum went into hospital for an unrelated health problem in 2020 and died of Covid as did others in her ward when there was an outbreak in the hospital. Being allowed to sit with Mum, my husband and I then caught it and passed it on to our family. None of us could attend the funeral.
But I’m so glad you didn’t let Covid affect your life, who knows, maybe you were an a-symptomatic superspreader.
I have never been so angry at a comment before, your unfeeling ignorance has shocked and offended me. Try to actually think before you type thoughtless comments in future.

I caught covid a few weeks ago probably from a kid coughing a lot in a crowded lift. I had temperature for 1 day, slightly sore throat for 1 day and very bad cold. Bad chest infection needing steroids and antibiotics followed probably due to having lung disease anyway. I've had 3 vaccines and can't have anymore due to serious side effects.
OH caught it off me and was very ill. Repeated temperatures for over a week, cold, v bad cough, mood swings, and brain fog for 3+ weeks where he thought he had dementia and so did I. Didn't know what he was doing or even what room he was in! He's now ok weeks later.
But he had a 4th vaccine so I'm pretty convinced that these 'vaccines' are not helping at all. He was fit and healthy when he caught it but still has a cough now.

A cousin of my late husband and his wife have recently been staying with me, having arived from Australia. He's another anti-vacxer.
I asked if either of them had ever had Covid, to which the answer was no.
I asked if they had had any colds, coughs or flu-ey illnesses since the outbreak started. They said they had had one or two, as normal and usual.
So I asked if they had tested themselves for Covid. They said they hadn't.
I was really shocked. How did they know they weren't infecting others with Covid?
Even if they didn't want the vaccine, the very least they could have done was test to see if any infection was Covid, so that in the case of a positive test, they could isolate until testing negative.
How arrogant and selfish can people be?
By the way, I had Covid recently. I woke up feeling cold-ey, realised I had a dentist appointment that day, LFT very much positive so I cancelled the appointment and isolated for 7 days until testing negative.
Covid19 has not gone away.