Why are we angry?

MerylStreep

I couldn’t agree with GranyGravy & GSM more.
I certainly do shout of few expletives at certain politicians and now it’s certain NHS managers. 😡
But it doesn’t last. The usual glass full Meryl returns.

Cheers, my glass is full at the moment 🥂

People are polarised, discussion has been shut down, question the Covid Vaccination and you're an evil anti-vaxer, that's that, and to be shunned. Same with global warming (even though it is not as hot as it was in Roman times) - don't question or you'll be a 'climate change denier, damn you'. No debates are allowed and that's dodgy. I think we are being encouraged to be fearful, and fearful people get angry. And as for the poor boat people, THEY have not caused the crisis with GPs, dentists NHS etc, but the 'tribe' aware of a lack (caused by their leaders, but...) turn against outsiders. Is it so hard to strive for open-mindedness, tolerance and kindness? I can't claim to be always like that but I do try.

Yes same I try but get irritated too easily these days by others eg if notice they are selfish, rude impolite these kind of things, they not brought up as old school manners so do get it
So why does it bother 😁🤷‍♀️

To see an example of a first world country with a sinking birth rate which does not allow immigration or accept refugees look at Japan. The plight of the elderly in this increasingly aging population is frightening. Almost all first world countries are in the same boat now and are only increasing their population because of immigration.

I live in California. I notice that none of you mention gun violence. We have that terrible problem and having to see Trump's ugly face on the news. Those things make me angry.
Otherwise, I'm fairly content.

Oh yes Mom3, I have to turn to mute and turn away if Trump appears on tv here…just a picture of him makes my skin crawl.

Cycling is encouraged but I get irritated when cyclists seem to have priority and I have to join a queue of other drivers needing to wait for the safe time to be able to overtake a cyclist at the required wide berth when they are seemingly oblivious to the difficulties they are causing.

Stay safe Mom3 I hope you are out of the storm.

5% is still a large number. It makes me laugh that those who think it's OK for immigrants to be exploitation and their lives put at risk roman.people traffikers is ok. Also as far as I'm aware France is not war torn country, so why are they fleeing France. Those liberalised do Gooders, would you have immigrants in your house? People who are rightly concerned about this issue are not racists, its a practical issue only. My dad was a very poor immigrant in the 1950s, but he came over through proper channels.

It's mentioned all the time in our area

BlueBelle

I ve never been an angry person but I hate inequality and unfairness so I am angry with such short sighted racist people who bleat on about refugees and immigrants, other than that
I m not angry and don’t feel much anger around me at all, I live in what is considered a deprived seaside area but most people I talk to (and I talk to a lot within my job) seem absolutely and normally fine ….sad though at the state our country has been pushed into the last 13 years but I see a lot of ‘coming together’ to try and do community projects and right some wrongs

I know this will offend some people on here but it is true .

Actually Primrose it’s absolutely the opposite of true one of the reasons we are in so much trouble is because we don’t let the potential doctors, dentists, fruit pickers, care assistants etc come here and work preferring to put them in a variety of very poor unacceptable conditions for years ..in out quest to keep England ‘to ourself’ (a horrible thought)

I did wake up reasonable happy

It's not racist, it's practical. So anyone who dares to disagree with people who think that allowing peples lives to be put at risk as well as the fact that France is not a war torn oppressive country, is racist. Have you volunteered to have an immigrant in your house?

Mom3

I live in California. I notice that none of you mention gun violence. We have that terrible problem and having to see Trump's ugly face on the news. Those things make me angry.
Otherwise, I'm fairly content.

We don't mention gun violence because it isn't an issue in the UK. We have very strict gun controls and we don't have the dead hand of a 300 year old constitution to fight. I do feel for you and your compatriots who see the idiocy and tragedy of gun violence every day but who are powerless to halt it.

What has volunteering to have an immigrant in your house got to do with it? If silly non-sequiturs like that are a guide to the depth of your thinking on this subject - oh dear!

The argument is with France. It makes little or no effort to stop immigrants crossing, despite subsidies from us.

It was reported in the DT yesterday that Belgium, which admittedly has a shorter coastline has reduced the number of those crossing in little boats from its coast from nearly 13,000 to under 1,000 while other measures include increased police checks and tougher penalties for people smugglers.

If Belgium can do it,so can France.

The argument is with France. It makes little or no effort to stop immigrants crossing, despite subsidies from us.

If Belgium can do it,so can France.

Perhaps Macron is waiting for Rishi to give him a bit more money?

I'm travelling back to France again next month, so will see if the comical police checks have been stepped up. Roof box and all.

Yes I think as a whole some people are more angry and will lash out at people if they disagree with them because they know they will probably get away with it.

I've travelled on the ferry to France and Spain many times and they don't check every car, roofbox, motorhome or caravan I wish they did, they just pick vehicles out randomly I've seen many in my opinion dodgy ones going through.

France houses many. many immigrants, as does Greece,Italy,Germany Spain, get the picture?

I’m getting the impression that some people are racist towards the French. Can somebody explain why you believe it’s acceptable to you for France to absorb all the refugees who want to live in the UK?

No not angry..in fact very content and grateful for my life, my community is friendly and helpful on the whole... but I am saddened and shocked by news events

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree. Getting angry about things over which you have no control is a waste of energy and life. Save your energy for things you can change.

with an election looming?

Yes, we can change a lot of things.

Casdon

I’m getting the impression that some people are racist towards the French. Can somebody explain why you believe it’s acceptable to you for France to absorb all the refugees who want to live in the UK?

Not me, love, love, love the French. If I could be born again I would be very happy happy to be French for so many reasons!

I'm angry about the people who are angry about people in dinghies!

We, other European countries and the US have, in the past, "invaded" and exploited many non-aggressive, non-threatening nations. The British shipped people over to Australia and "invaded" the space of the natural inhabitants, killing many of them, disrespecting their way of life and completely distorting their culture. Something even worse was done to India. After WW2 the British invited people to come to this country to do the jobs that our own people were less keen to do. Yet still they were vilified for "coming over here"- some people just don't like foreigners. We were a major player in the unjustified invasion of Iraq, and supported the overthrow of Gaddafi. These relatively recent events have destabilised that part of the world and had a knock-on effect in Africa too.

Yes, it is outrageous that people in the UK cannot get decent, reasonably priced housing and are struggling to meet even very basic needs. But when governments are in a fix of this nature they always use immigrants to deflect from their own inefficiencies and inadequacies.

I am angry with this government for ruining our NHS, our water services, our education system, our immigration system, our justice system, our transport system, etc, etc. It isn't a good feeling to be angry but the alternative is to passively accept things that are just not acceptable.

Joseann

Casdon

I’m getting the impression that some people are racist towards the French. Can somebody explain why you believe it’s acceptable to you for France to absorb all the refugees who want to live in the UK?

Not me, love, love, love the French. If I could be born again I would be very happy happy to be French for so many reasons!

No, not you Joseann, but if you read the posts some people do seem to think it’s perfectly okay for France to take responsibility for everybody.

Since I made a new year resolution not to get my knickers in a twist at supermarket checkouts I have become a much calmer person!
It’s amazing how many people don’t realise they have to pay at the end of the transaction and begin their search for their bag after they have piled the shopping on it.
I’m cross about the boat people but I’m cross that the government can’t pay a few more people to process them quickly and get them working in some way. There must be masses that they could do that would keep them occupied and, hopefully enhance our lives a little.

Casdon

Joseann

Casdon

I’m getting the impression that some people are racist towards the French. Can somebody explain why you believe it’s acceptable to you for France to absorb all the refugees who want to live in the UK?

Not me, love, love, love the French. If I could be born again I would be very happy happy to be French for so many reasons!

No, not you Joseann, but if you read the posts some people do seem to think it’s perfectly okay for France to take responsibility for everybody.

Or Italy, or Germany, or anyone else...

If you have friends and family in one country, and especially if you have taken years to learn ONE foreign language, which has become the lingua franca of the world- then you will aim for a country where you can use it. Where those friends and family will welcome and support you, but also where you will have the best chances to eventually access a job- as for most jobs you need to have a decent level of said language. None of those refugees would be able to integrate and access jobs in France, Italy or Germany, as they do not have any notion of the languages required.

The one reason why many British professionals who are trying to get out of UK at the moment, doctors, nurses, researchers, teachers, plumbers, carpenters, etc- is because the English school curriculum means most of them only studied a foreign language for a couple of years.

To work as a nurse or a doctor, for instance, they would have to achieve level C1 - which is practically communicative fluency (bar a few grammatical errors). Doctors have to achieve at least 3 A* in sciences- so practically none do a foreign language to A'Levels.

Whereas all EU students who stayed on at school, will have continued to do English until University entrance- and will have also learnt through films, games, IT, etc.

Having a good knowledge of the language of the country you want to emigrate to is a massive factor for success.

But not 'just' doctors and nurses. I know a few carpenters, builders, plumbers who can only work for expats- as they do not know the local language, and certainly not the specific language for said job.

One thing you can say for refugees is that they know they have to learn the language, and they make sure they do, and fast.

There are many wonderful exceptions btw- but the number of British expats who cannot even do a basic conversation in the language of the country they have chosen to live in, often after years, decades and more even- is staggering.