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Phillips CPAP Machines may cause cancer

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Primrose53 Wed 31-Jan-24 16:20:49

We were told by a consultant a few weeks ago that there had been a production problem at Phillips. Guess what’s being delivered tomorrow ? a different CPAP machine by Phillips.

Now we read the production problem was because so many lawsuits were raised due to people getting cancers from the foams in these machines and production has been halted.

There is a big article about it in the Daily Mail today.

Jaxjacky Wed 31-Jan-24 17:23:11

I can find no evidence of any incidents in the UK Primrose, USA only.
The DM seems to delight in these headlines to sucker people in, I think it is irresponsible.

Faierynan Wed 31-Jan-24 18:11:01

What is a CPAP machine

Elegran Wed 31-Jan-24 18:39:12

I wondered what it was too, so I found this page my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/22043-cpap-machine
I don't understand how this machine could cause cancer, it just seems that it " takes in room air, then filters and pressurizes it before delivering it through a tube and into your mask."

I suspect this is a panic caused by someone not understanding the difference between cause and co-incidence. and if it is the foam, not the machine, surely the answer is to change the foam, not change the machine?

Greenfinch Wed 31-Jan-24 19:26:07

I use a CPAP machine and I too was bemused by the mention of foam passing into airways. It would make breathing uncomfortable and I imagine could cause choking. As far as I know only air passes through.

M0nica Wed 31-Jan-24 19:45:31

DH has a CPAP machine, all it does is blow air down his neck. As far as I can see there isn't any foam anywhere in it and all it blows into him is air and watere vapour.

Primrose53 Wed 31-Jan-24 20:27:50

www.philips.co.uk/healthcare/e/sleep/communications/src-update

As far as I understand the machines are made in the U.S.

Jaxjacky Wed 31-Jan-24 20:42:17

All that says is there was a problem found, so they replaced the machines?
Recalls happen all the time across a variety of products.

Primrose53 Wed 31-Jan-24 20:48:24

As soon as new machine arrives we will check the serial number and go from there.

Elegran Thu 01-Feb-24 04:23:47

I've just realised that the big article was in the Daily Mail. Nuff said.

Primrose53 Thu 01-Feb-24 09:19:23

Elegran

I've just realised that the big article was in the Daily Mail. Nuff said.

I knew somebody would say this but they have got the info from Philips themselves.

nanna8 Thu 01-Feb-24 09:57:31

Did they just make it up then ? I am absolutely sure Phillips would sue them out of existence if they did. I know everyone on here hates the paper but really, that’s a stretch.

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Oldnproud Thu 01-Feb-24 12:01:20

I haven't seen the article, but I'm guessing that if foam is involved, it is within the filters, and presumably it is tiny particles of it that might be inhaled and potentially cause cancer.

If that's the case, hopefully they will just need to change the type of filter in the machines, though it wouldnt surprise me if it is hard to find an alternative that wouldn't shed any particles whatsoever. But science is not my thing, so I could be totally and utterly wrong.

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Primrose53 Thu 01-Feb-24 12:27:39

nanna8

Did they just make it up then ? I am absolutely sure Phillips would sue them out of existence if they did. I know everyone on here hates the paper but really, that’s a stretch.

You are so right nanna8 👏👏

Some people’s hatred of the DM (and people who read it) overshadows commonsense. It’s like when the DM reports on maybe a new drug or some cutting edge treatment. Haters say “it’s all made up. Don’t believe what the DM say”. yet in the article it will say somewhere that the info comes from the British Medical Association or other reliable source but they miss that completely. Sheer stupidity!

Primrose53 Thu 01-Feb-24 12:33:51

Well the new machine has arrived along with booklets, leaflets and loads more literature.

The most important thing is that the filters are no longer made of FOAM which was breaking down and producing dangerous particles which were then being inhaled.

The machine we received today has PAPER filters which sounds much better.

Philips have taken this very seriously and recalled loads of these machines and personally, we thank the DM for highlighting this. As users are on these machines every single night for maybe 8-10 hours it is vital that what they are breathing is just fresh air.

M0nica Fri 02-Feb-24 07:24:58

Primrose53 I doubt if many, if any, of those who constantly condemn the Daily Mail ever read it. We read it as part of a range of papers we read across the political spectrum.

The amount of political, or quasi political new in the paper is not large and it has award winning health and personal finance sections in it several days a week.

I would not say that it is anymore biassed and incorrect than The Guardian. I have been sometimes shocked by the misinformation and biassed reporting in that paper

nanna8 Fri 02-Feb-24 08:05:32

The Guardian sounds very self righteous and priggish to me but I have to admit I have only read it a few times. I would guess ( probably wrongly) that the people writing for it are pretty young and a bit on the naive side.

Primrose53 Fri 02-Feb-24 09:02:38

First night using new machine and what a difference! Really quiet unlike the other one which sounded like you were in a tent in gale force winds. Husband had first good night’s sleep since September when he got the other machine.

Greenfinch Fri 02-Feb-24 09:19:06

For those of you who like myself use a ResMed CPAP machine please do not be alarmed. The type of foam used in these filters is not the same as that subject to recall by Phillips (or so I am led to believe).

Primrose53 Fri 02-Feb-24 16:46:14

Greenfinch you can go online and put in your serial number and check.

Greenfinch Fri 02-Feb-24 16:50:07

I am happy to do that Primrose but how do I go about it?

Coolgran65 Fri 02-Feb-24 17:08:41

Yes my cPap may be was recalled and replaced last year.
The machines are wonderful.

Elegran Fri 02-Feb-24 18:23:27

Greenfinch

I am happy to do that Primrose but how do I go about it?

I did a Google search and found this page. expresslegalfunding.com/cpap-machines-recalled-philips/

One of the questions and answers on it is :-

Is There a Recall of ResMed CPAP Machines?

No, as of this time, there is no FDA recall of the ResMed brand of CPAP ventilator devices, so sleep apnea patients can continue use as directed by their healthcare provider. Philips and the California-based ResMed company are not connected. The Philips recall has no bearing on the safety of the ResMed ventilators.

This has been iterated by Mick Ferrel, CEO of ResMed, who released a statement that included, “…I want to reassure our patients, providers, physicians, and communities that ResMed devices are safe to use and are not subject to Philips’ recall.