Finally big pharma has admitted the Covid vaccine is potentially dangerous.

nanna8

I had anti virals last time I caught Covid. I have to say the reaction to those was worse than the Covid itself ( I’d had it before and not taken any). We are all different and we all have different reactions. Looking at all the bodies piling up before they had found a vaccine I have to say the vaccine has done its stuff for the majority. People are still dying but a lot less than before.

I was sent anti-virals but by then was over the worst and they were nearly out of date anyway, so I didn't take them.

Having taken them when I had shingles and knowing how ill they made me then, that was another factor in my decision.

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Well, yesterday my husband and myself had our Spring Covid Boosters and are glad of it. We went voluntarily - with no-one dragging us along screaming and shouting!

We live in a busy suburb not in the back of beyond and have never had even a minor bout of the virus. We kept to the rules (even though in hindsight it seems that some weren't necessary) and our sons (early 30's) and their families did likewise. Close neighbours were also sensible (contact through phone and WhatsApp).

We're all safe thank goodness but I'm not sure what the situation would have been had we not been jabbed.

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I'd rather take the vaccine than COVID again

Astra Zeneca saved millions of lives at the time that vaccine was needed. Like all vaccines there are unwanted side effects. Their vaccine is being removed because many newer vaccines are available, because the virus has 'moved on' and changed.
I had the Astra Zeneca vaccine twice. The number of people who would have died without vaccines are huge.

www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/08/astrazeneca-withdraws-covid-19-vaccine-worldwide-citing-surplus-of-newer-vaccines

www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/11/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-jab-coronavirus-saved-lives-humanitarian-crises

Maddieone

Yours is possibly the most sensible comment on this site today.

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A friend of ours went in the have an op. During routine pre op tests they found problems with her heart. After further tests the consultant actually told her it was Caiden’s by the vaccine and not to have any more

Charlie6

Share with Maddieone the award for most sensible comment of the day!

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Well said Maddyone. Without vaccines, terrible diseases like smallpox would still be afflicting us. It is very sad for the tiny minority of people who have a bad reaction to a vaccine, but for the majority of us the Covid vaccine has been a life saver.

I am so glad that the truth is finally coming out but I believe it is the tip of the iceberg. I think too few people want to admit the extent to which Big Pharma cynically has us duped into thinking it has our best interests anywhere at heart. It has money at heart, pure and simple, and many, many medications do more harm than good. The only forms of medicine that I trust are surgery (which is often a blessing) and emergency medicine, which saves lives. Apart from that I think we have to be very, very careful. The entire Covid 'thing' is replete with vested interest, hidden agendas and schemes to control and profit from a populace, stirred to panic by the media. Quite apart from the vaccine question, medicines known to be effective, such as hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin (ridiculed respectively as 'bleach' and 'horse medicine') were actually not allowed. Ivermectin, I believe, is in the top ten 'safest medicines' in the WHO organisation listing. Many high-principled doctors of unshakeable integrity lost their livelihoods and their reputations for speaking out. At the time of the pandemic no-one advised us to take Vitamin D or do anything to boost our immune systems naturally - no, it was vaccine, vaccine, vaccine and if you didn't have it you were demonised and treated like a granny-slaying criminal (as I am a granny myself I did not feel guilty about that!). I hope, at last, the mainstream are waking up and will not be sent into hysteria by the next 'pandemic' - bird flu is on the horizon, being 'talked up' to make things difficult for people who keep a few chickens, projected in some quarters to be set to kill 1 in 4 Americans. (many poor souls conditioned, by 'Big Food', to eat stuff that's going to kill them anyway) Please, please be cynical, ask questions, and do not believe the mainstream media.

I am in my fifties and cant even remember the last time I was offered a covid vaccine.
Is it the majority?

Tragic for a very small minority but a life saver for very large numbers of people. COVID killed many, many more people worldwide than died from vaccine-related problems. All vaccines carry risks even after extensive testing and trialling.

Polio was DDT sprayed around the coast (including South West of England). Read 'What Really Makes You Ill' by Dawn and David Parker

Undines, well said. Re: keeping chickens (and indeed growing veg) - 'they' really don't like it.......................

I still know people who think we have all been microchipped

Usual CRAP. What about those that posted on You Tube etc that trhey were not going to take the Vaccine and then DIED? Also oneof the many post against taking the vaccine came from Pakistani Mullah's.

undines

I am so glad that the truth is finally coming out but I believe it is the tip of the iceberg. I think too few people want to admit the extent to which Big Pharma cynically has us duped into thinking it has our best interests anywhere at heart. It has money at heart, pure and simple, and many, many medications do more harm than good. The only forms of medicine that I trust are surgery (which is often a blessing) and emergency medicine, which saves lives. Apart from that I think we have to be very, very careful. The entire Covid 'thing' is replete with vested interest, hidden agendas and schemes to control and profit from a populace, stirred to panic by the media. Quite apart from the vaccine question, medicines known to be effective, such as hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin (ridiculed respectively as 'bleach' and 'horse medicine') were actually not allowed. Ivermectin, I believe, is in the top ten 'safest medicines' in the WHO organisation listing. Many high-principled doctors of unshakeable integrity lost their livelihoods and their reputations for speaking out. At the time of the pandemic no-one advised us to take Vitamin D or do anything to boost our immune systems naturally - no, it was vaccine, vaccine, vaccine and if you didn't have it you were demonised and treated like a granny-slaying criminal (as I am a granny myself I did not feel guilty about that!). I hope, at last, the mainstream are waking up and will not be sent into hysteria by the next 'pandemic' - bird flu is on the horizon, being 'talked up' to make things difficult for people who keep a few chickens, projected in some quarters to be set to kill 1 in 4 Americans. (many poor souls conditioned, by 'Big Food', to eat stuff that's going to kill them anyway) Please, please be cynical, ask questions, and do not believe the mainstream media.

Undine
I agree that the pharmaceutical companies produce drugs for profit - not surprising really, they are commencial entities with staff, labs and factories so are unlikely to do anything for nothing. However I understand that British vaccines were provided at cost.
The idea that vaccines are more dangerous than they are protective is ludicrous, as is the idea that we were stirred to panic by the media. Many people all over the world were dying because Covid was a deadly disease for the vulnerable and indeed for other sectors of the population who were not expected to be as at risk as they proved to be.
My husband is vulnerable and has had every covid vaccine he's been offered, without them he would probably be dead.

But for the non vulnerable, healthy teenagers for example there was very little risk. If there was why is that group not being vaccinated now.
It's fine to understand that aliens are not controlling us via the vaccine but to also say we probably got quite a lot throughout the pandemic.

Quite a lot wrong that should say

around twoo weeks ago i was chatting with a lady who i didnt know that well, turned out she works as a mortician,she got on to covid times ,24/7 working in morgue, and az deaths, there were many and of all ages, she could not say too much.now 2 weeks on..............

thoughtful reply, cc, I agree.

Galaxy

But for the non vulnerable, healthy teenagers for example there was very little risk. If there was why is that group not being vaccinated now.
It's fine to understand that aliens are not controlling us via the vaccine but to also say we probably got quite a lot throughout the pandemic.

I didnt take it.
Though I did have a different reason to lots of people.

I was not vulnerable.
I try and keep medicine taking to a minimal.

My mother will not hear a word against the covid vaccine and l would agree that for older people (over seventies, perhaps) it is far safer to have the vaccine than not. The benefits definitely outweigh the risks. It is generally not older people who are suffering from major side effects in any case. I am generally extremely pro-vaccine and had the early covid vaccines with great excitement and relief as a way to overcome this dreadful disease. However, the people affected are younger; usually in the 30-55 age group. I, personally, know two people who have had strokes in that age group and someone else, who was extremely fit, collapse and die. Another friend, who is my age has developed an extremely rare form of leukaemia and has another friend who has suddenly developed the same type. My mother's response, as I expect will be that of many here, is that there have always been unexplained deaths. I agree, but the sheer number of people l know who were younger and healthy suddenly dying is not normal. People all over the world are saying the same thing. The sheer numbers are beyond what could usually be expected. I will have my normal flu jabs, but will not be having any more covid vaccines for the foreseeable future. However, I will reiterate l think it is important for the elderly and immunocompromised.

I am immuno-compromised by a pre-existing health condition, my aunt had no such issues.
I had all the covid vaccines, she refused them.
I carried on with my life pretty normally all through the pandemic, my aunt hid away, terrified of catching it.
I came into contact with hundreds of people during that time (primarily in the supermarkets, many of whom could easily have had covid), she saw one of her AC (who had tested negative).
I'm alive and kicking, she caught covid and it killed her.
There will always be dissenters who argue that vaccines are a government plot to control us, but when you see within your own family the effects of not receiving vaccines, it's enough to terrify most sane people.

I have had 6 vaccines and think they were instrumental in saving lives and getting economy going. I certainly felt safer because them, don’t regret any of them. However I won’t be having any more. I’ve had enough. Had Covid four times despite vacinnes. Haven’t been well after most of the vacinnes and just starting to feel myself.

fancythat

Or perhaps the specific section was only started at the point.

Fancythat
Lots being discussed in 2020.

www.gransnet.com/forums/coronavirus/1287429-End-of-the-lockdown