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Persimmon soap for old person smell

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PinkCosmos Tue 15-Jul-25 11:39:20

I was reading a post on Mumsnet yesterday. It was by a woman who had her elderly mother living with her. The mother had her own rooms. The daughter was complaining about the 'old lady' smell eminating from her rooms.

Apparently, the official name for old person smell is nonenal. It was identified by the Japanese.

The skin has antioxidant defences which naturally weaken with age. This antioxidant protection disrupts the effect of the oxidation of lipid acids on the skin’s surface. As it declines, it can no longer prevent the oxidation process, so the acids that are broken down create a chemical called 2-nonenal or old lady smell.

Not all old people will have the smell.

Apparently, persimmon soap can help to eliminate the smell. You can buy it quite cheaply on Amazon

I was not aware of this but thought it would be useful to pass on to Gransnetters.

No offence intended smile

VenusDeVillendorf Wed 16-Jul-25 14:40:55

I find most people really smell bad. Young or old! And if they have dogs or cats at home houses and cars smell really bad too.

The problem I think is that people don’t wash their hair or clothes often enough.

Very often people wear an outfit for going out and use perfume, then hang it up for the next time, and by the next time the oils which have transferred from the skin have oxidised and the garment smells awfully stale and the perfume is musty.

Washing hair often can be difficult for some so they just comb it or brush it, not realising that the scalp really smells rancid, and they need a more manageable style, and a more citrus based shampoo for more frequent washing.

animal breath really smells if they have dried food rather than offal or meat, and aren’t adequately hydrated. Drugs need regular bathing too, and houses need to be aired out everyday. Open all those windows wide for an hour in the morning!

silverlining48 Wed 16-Jul-25 14:42:07

My grandmother’s small house only had one cold tap in the scullery and as far as I know she never had a bath in her 93 years, but she strip washed every day at her sink and I recall she always smelled very nice. No deodorant in those times.

There really isn’t a need to shower or bath every day if people wash themselves properly every day. Once a week used to be the norm for most people. Usually on Sundays when underwear and clothing were changed ready for the next week.

VenusDeVillendorf Wed 16-Jul-25 14:42:09

That should be dogs, not drugs!!

Esmay Wed 16-Jul-25 14:42:11

Lidl produce really cheap scents , which I liberally spray all over myself after a bath .
They are cheaper than Avon .
I also recommend Agua Lavanda Puig ,which is available on Amazon .It used to be cheap ,now it's zoomed up in price .

Lollin - I really sympathise with you if bad smells make you sick.
It's so embarrassing!
I've had to pretend that I've got gastric flu before now .
I still visit one of my mother's old friends and fortunately we aren't in a confined space .
Just looking at her lank greasy hair makes me feel nauseated .
One thing that the family always got me to do -test smell all meat and fish!

foxie48 Wed 16-Jul-25 14:46:07

Japanese Soap with Khaki Tannin Kakishibu, Pack of 3 Bars of Soap, Total 330g, for Face and Body, Natural Antibacterial, Prevents Body Odor from Perspiration, £19.99 from Amazon.
Yes it's a real thing, OH is very clean but in hot weather I notice a rather unpleasant smell. I bought him some of these soaps and since then there's not been an issue. It's all about our chemistry as I even smell sweet in hot weather (I think!). It's really common apparently but often those who have it don't notice it.

silverlining48 Wed 16-Jul-25 14:46:27

No washing machines and certainly no dryers in those days. Most washing was done by hand so people did hang up and air their clothes.

VenusDeVillendorf Wed 16-Jul-25 14:56:30

I remember a survey done about frequency of washing and the UK came out very badly.

Japanese people are famously not smelly as they have a shower and a bath daily. They shower before their bath.

There is a religious aspect to bathing as a purifying ritual in Japan which is also part of the idea of the purified sacred and the miasmic or polluted profane in Ancient Greece.

Islam too has ritualistic washing practices before prayer.

This goes against the western Christian idea of covering up your shameful and sinful body or of mortification of the flesh.

Two baths were allowed in a Christian lifetime - once when born and then again after death.

It’s really medieval to be so filthy. You won’t fall apart from washing everyday!

Lona Wed 16-Jul-25 15:08:07

I suffered from this unpleasant smell a few years ago. It was pungent and I was very aware of it despite rigorous washing, clean clothes and using the Japanese soap. The soap made no difference and I tried lots of different antiperspirants.
However, it went away after about nine months thank goodness, and hasn't returned.
I was in my early 70s.

Granmarderby10 Wed 16-Jul-25 15:20:24

CariadAgain those YouTube videos I thought the same, there is always something to beat women about the head with isn’t there!
One even advices us to pay special attention to our navil!

My mum always said that keeping babies smelling gorgeous and in clean clothes was important as a way of ensuring we want to continue to nurture them, no matter what they “present” us with😷 Let’s face it the alternative could be off putting.
Well while they are growing up obviously adults are on the downward curve. Blame those post menopausal hormonal changes in women also.

Esmay I thought the soap mentioned was Persimmon. That’s a fruit I’ve never tried.
I really think though that rarely if ever washed clothing does give the whole house and not just the body that fusty smell.
If you live alone and have no one to impress anymore you can become “nose blind” or just accustomed to the gunge level.

Many of my mums age group never attempted to wash their hair and had regular visits to the local hairdressers no matter what else was going on. Once ill health and apathy sets in though….
I still love the smell of a quality cologne though and lavender -real lavender is the thing imo, along with fresh line dried cotton sheets and towels on a hot summers night🫠

Seapebble Wed 16-Jul-25 15:32:20

Pinkcosmos - you mentioned "I don't need it yet" but how do you know? With odours I think the last to know is often the source. I get on the bus sometimes during the day and am sure some of the very clean looking smartly dressed passengers don't know.
Same could be said for young guys in the morning in shops and offices- um hello? It's the morning fella - no excuse.

Esmay Wed 16-Jul-25 15:52:45

Grammarderby -
sorry yes persimmon not pomegranate .
I was looking at my silk dyes earlier and was thinking of a pomegranate colour !
Lona - some people smell unpleasant due to their consumption of red meat and onions!
Eating citrus fruits and leafy vegetables plus drinking herb teas is said to alleviate it .
I'm glad that your problem has resolved itself.

Allira Wed 16-Jul-25 15:56:21

Well, I don't know what a persimmon is anyway. Off to investigate.

Allira Wed 16-Jul-25 15:57:47

Kaki fruit 😂😂😂
You couldn't make it up - is this a wind-up on MN?

Maremia Wed 16-Jul-25 15:59:12

Okay, I managed to cope with the name of the soap, but burst out laughing when I got to Allira's post, about sniffing.

Esmay Wed 16-Jul-25 16:04:19

Persimmons are usually sold as Sharon fruit
I love them .
I notice that Amazon sell them as dried fruit .They must be delicious.
Doesn't kaka have a rude meaning ?!
Or maybe that's the effect that they have on people !

Esmay Wed 16-Jul-25 16:05:43

Oops !
Kaki not kaka .
This is what happens when you forget to wear your glasses !

Allira Wed 16-Jul-25 16:07:37

Well, it's not a rude word but spelt with a 'c' it is slang for poo.

cc Wed 16-Jul-25 16:09:12

Elusivebutterfly

Apparently nonenal is more common in men than women. It often starts in middle age and men's hair can be the main problem aggravated by sweat and grease.

Yes, I sometimes have to nudge my husband towards the shower. I did buy some of this soap for him but he obviously doesn't use it on his hair so not much use really.

cc Wed 16-Jul-25 16:14:43

VenusDeVillendorf

I find most people really smell bad. Young or old! And if they have dogs or cats at home houses and cars smell really bad too.

The problem I think is that people don’t wash their hair or clothes often enough.

Very often people wear an outfit for going out and use perfume, then hang it up for the next time, and by the next time the oils which have transferred from the skin have oxidised and the garment smells awfully stale and the perfume is musty.

Washing hair often can be difficult for some so they just comb it or brush it, not realising that the scalp really smells rancid, and they need a more manageable style, and a more citrus based shampoo for more frequent washing.

animal breath really smells if they have dried food rather than offal or meat, and aren’t adequately hydrated. Drugs need regular bathing too, and houses need to be aired out everyday. Open all those windows wide for an hour in the morning!

I think that pet owners are often not aware that their pets and homes are smelly, their noses cease to smell them. I know that when we had cats I could always smell them when I first came home from holiday, but it only lasted a couple of days.
I can't bear the smell of some wet cat foods, I find them really nauseating.

hollysteers Wed 16-Jul-25 16:18:03

I noticed my late DH had a musty smell about him and he showered regularly. If someone is ill, I suspect there could be a telltale aroma.

My close sister has confirmed that I am not “a smelly person” so that is comforting and I’m not constantly showering (I’m a fire sign so avoid water until I have to😁). I want to be told if I smell that’s for sure.
A male friend smells musty as although he showers, he doesn’t wash his clothes regularly…

I read ages ago that the French use less soap than other nations…🤔

silverlining48 Wed 16-Jul-25 16:38:34

I read that too Hollysteers, certainly the French student we had didn’t seem to wash or shower the whole time she was with us.
Towel and flannels remained dry.

hollysteers Wed 16-Jul-25 16:41:42

silverlining48

I read that too Hollysteers, certainly the French student we had didn’t seem to wash or shower the whole time she was with us.
Towel and flannels remained dry.

Napoleon to Josephine “Don’t wash”😁

windmill1 Wed 16-Jul-25 16:49:14

Wrights Coal Tar Soap - an almost hypnotic smell. Lovely!

JamesandJon33 Wed 16-Jul-25 17:48:06

I remember a friend, absolutely forcing her French student into the bathroom.

silverlining48 Wed 16-Jul-25 17:54:06

My neighbours French student used their flannels to wipe his derriere and then hid them round the back of the toilet, …..