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Persimmon soap for old person smell

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PinkCosmos Tue 15-Jul-25 11:39:20

I was reading a post on Mumsnet yesterday. It was by a woman who had her elderly mother living with her. The mother had her own rooms. The daughter was complaining about the 'old lady' smell eminating from her rooms.

Apparently, the official name for old person smell is nonenal. It was identified by the Japanese.

The skin has antioxidant defences which naturally weaken with age. This antioxidant protection disrupts the effect of the oxidation of lipid acids on the skin’s surface. As it declines, it can no longer prevent the oxidation process, so the acids that are broken down create a chemical called 2-nonenal or old lady smell.

Not all old people will have the smell.

Apparently, persimmon soap can help to eliminate the smell. You can buy it quite cheaply on Amazon

I was not aware of this but thought it would be useful to pass on to Gransnetters.

No offence intended smile

Delila Thu 17-Jul-25 13:52:01

My MIL always smelt delicious, right to the end at age 97. My daughters used to breathe in the lovely smell when visiting her. She always used 4711 cologne.

J52 Thu 17-Jul-25 14:42:46

NotSpaghetti

2-nonenal is not the same as "regular" BO, J52

Don’t think I said it was.

Stansgran Thu 17-Jul-25 17:47:46

I do think an awful lot of owners of designer jeans won’t trust the washing machine with them. I’ve bought mushrooms today. I love them and will have any excuse to up them in our diet.

foxie48 Thu 17-Jul-25 18:39:15

Definitely recommend the Japanese soap, it's been hot and sticky today and OH has been working in the garden, gave him a cuddle to thank him for helping me and not a whiff of anything musty. He had absolutely no idea there was a problem until I mentioned it to him. It's nothing to do with lack of hygiene , 2-nonenal is different to normal sweat and can linger on clothes and bodies even after washing, some people have much more of a problem than others.

NotSpaghetti Thu 17-Jul-25 18:50:09

I wonder if there is something we could put in the washing machine to counteract the effect on t-shirts, pyjamas etc?

kircubbin2000 Thu 17-Jul-25 18:59:34

I had a few dates with a man who had an odd smell He had Parkinsons and apparently it can be detected early by the smell.

kircubbin2000 Thu 17-Jul-25 19:01:14

A smell I dislike is people who stink of fabric conditioner. Also the smell of perfume over unwashed clothes.Do you remember at school there were always a few stinkers?

poppysmum Fri 18-Jul-25 13:25:15

How ridiculous! why should an old person smell? apart from illness dementia etc when personal hygiene may slip they would just smell like anyone else; perfume or aftershave; soap or shower gel etc; hairspray etc

Cossy Fri 18-Jul-25 13:32:45

Allira

Ps sometimes losing your sense of smell might be a blessing, not a curse!
I'm just off to sniff DH.

😂😂😂😂😂

Cossy Fri 18-Jul-25 13:38:02

VenusDeVillendorf

I find most people really smell bad. Young or old! And if they have dogs or cats at home houses and cars smell really bad too.

The problem I think is that people don’t wash their hair or clothes often enough.

Very often people wear an outfit for going out and use perfume, then hang it up for the next time, and by the next time the oils which have transferred from the skin have oxidised and the garment smells awfully stale and the perfume is musty.

Washing hair often can be difficult for some so they just comb it or brush it, not realising that the scalp really smells rancid, and they need a more manageable style, and a more citrus based shampoo for more frequent washing.

animal breath really smells if they have dried food rather than offal or meat, and aren’t adequately hydrated. Drugs need regular bathing too, and houses need to be aired out everyday. Open all those windows wide for an hour in the morning!

Oh dear! You must have a very strong and sensitive sense of smell.

We have dogs, and many of my friends have animals and frequently visiting young GC, none of them or their houses smell (unpleasant) ! flowers

Granmarderby10 Fri 18-Jul-25 13:44:11

Nothing beats giving clothes and body a thorough good wash.
Synthetics do stink if washed on a low temp wash but not dried promptly.

There are a few products to pour into the conditioner compartment of machines some specially for sports type garments.
I bought some persimmon (Sharon fruits) yesterday and will try them later to see if I like the taste/smell
Then might consider the soap.

NotSpaghetti Fri 18-Jul-25 13:44:40

Justlook up 2-Nonenal poppysmum

Delila Fri 18-Jul-25 18:58:56

I’ve been in some stale-smelling houses, and met some unsavoury people, but otherwise haven’t noticed elderly people in general smell badly, so perhaps the effects of 2-Nonenal aren’t universal and most of us can breathe a (fragrant) sigh of relief.

I have a very strong sense of smell.

V3ra Fri 18-Jul-25 19:16:03

Very often people wear an outfit for going out and use perfume, then hang it up for the next time, and by the next time the oils which have transferred from the skin have oxidised and the garment smells awfully stale and the perfume is musty.

This, exactly.
I shared a room (and wardrobe) on holiday with an elderly relative once and had to discretely wash every garment she'd brought with her 🫢

Delila Fri 18-Jul-25 19:29:59

V3ra

^Very often people wear an outfit for going out and use perfume, then hang it up for the next time, and by the next time the oils which have transferred from the skin have oxidised and the garment smells awfully stale and the perfume is musty.^

This, exactly.
I shared a room (and wardrobe) on holiday with an elderly relative once and had to discretely wash every garment she'd brought with her 🫢

But wouldn’t that be the case with a younger person’s clothes too, in those circumstances. Stale perfume on unwashed clothes is bound to smell unpleasant.
I sat next to three young people in the dentist’s waiting room recently and they were quite pongy (while looking gorgeous).

Lona Fri 18-Jul-25 22:50:50

Nonenal has nothing to do with personal hygiene, it obviously doesn't happen to every older person.

CariadAgain Sat 19-Jul-25 07:45:41

Just as well I don't wear perfume any more then - just in case - from the comments given.

Though I've still got a virtually non-existent sense of smell at the moment after having Covid - think it must be around 2 years now I've been waiting for my hearing and sense of smell to get back to normal #sighs. So I'd have no way of telling at the moment re whether perfume was "clinging on".

The only plus side of that being an audiologist who knows his job (compared to two young girls in a Boots audiology department recently - that clearly don't) told me that this loss of hearing is down to "infection" - rather than old age (so presumably the loss of smell is connected to that). So fingers crossed still for getting those things back to normal.

Esmay Sat 19-Jul-25 09:03:56

I can only describe the smell of stale and greasy like unwashed hair .
When I was in traction in hospital my hair wasn't washed for weeks and it was foul .
Yesterday when I had a blood test the phlebotomist told me that I smelt fantastic.
I'd done two hours in the garden , had a tepid bath and sprayed myself with some cheap scent from Lidl.
At five quid a bottle-most of them are dupes and are very good value .