Chickenpox Vaccine,

IOMGran

Jeannied

My sister had horrendous shingles after the jab. It was mainly in her head and eyes and lasted 5 months. The can stick all of the vaccinations. Its all about the money. £35 for the doctor for every covid jab administered. As for me, no jabs whatsoever. Covid, no jabs, no masks, no tests, no social distancing and most important no COVID. that goes for all my family too.

I really hope you are in the USA and not the UK as I don't want to run into you or your family in the next pandemic.

Hear hear… wherever this person lives she is a conspiracy theorist. ( she just posted another conspiracy theory on another forum!) . If your sister was one of the few that suffered a bad reaction to the vaccine then I’m sorry for her, but she is a fairly isolated case. MOST people don’t have bad reactions and are saved from the horrible effects of whatever disease the relevant vaccine was created to protect. It is possible your sister already had shingles dormant in her body and the vaccine woke it up so to speak? Statistics =
Clinical trials have demonstrated that the current shingles vaccine, Shingrix®, provides long-lasting, high-level protection for the elderly.
For adults aged 70 and over, Shingrix is approximately 91% effective at preventing shingles.
Against post-herpetic neuralgia (PHN), the most common complication of shingles, the vaccine is about 89% effective for this age group.
Protection is durable for at least 10 years after vaccination for adults aged 50 and over.
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As someone said above vaccine use to prevent childhood diseases became so good and mainstream that people like you forget that these now so called minor ills … mumps, measles, whooping couch etc, can KILL if children are left unvaccinated and catch the disease, as shown in Texas recently and the recent death in the UK of a child from whooping cough.
Please, for your own sake and everyone else you know and love, do a little more research into vaccine science and don’t take advice from people who should know better like Simone Gold and her like!

I feel that, although there have been people against vaccines for a long time, it was the covid debacle, the lies and psychological manipulation that put so many more people off vaccines.

Sadly, the break of trust created in many people by all the lies an deceptions during covid will stop many, many also having the pre-covid, non MRNA vaccines leading to more cases of measles etc.
The pejorative term 'anti-vaxxers' will now be aimed at far larger numbers of people.

"Oh what a tangled web we (the Johnson goverment etc.) weave when first we practice to deceive."
The deaths, illnesses and psychological consequencies are still unfolding.

undines

Well the 'anti-vaxxers' are starting up - one of them, that is. And I would start by saying that the term 'anti-vaxxer' is divisive, it's a nasty, silly label, that shuts down discussion and inquiry. It makes us sound like a heretical sect. Anyone who believes that all vaccinations are a good thing simply has not done their research and is listening too much to the BBC and the usual media outlets, and not to the many experts who are calling out the damage vaccines are doing and being scapegoated in the process. Sorry, I don't have the details to hand but anyone who is not being dogmatic about this can do their own research. I haven't researched the chickenpox vaccine but I think it is ridiculous to assault infant immune systems with a vaccine (possibly containing harmful chemicals) against a disease which can, admittedly, be unpleasant, but not fatal. Childhood cancers are on the increase, as are cancers in young adults. There are some scientists who believe that vaccines are to blame for some of this. Better to have some trust in the natural strength of a healthy, well-nourished young body.

Except chickenpox can be fatal...and has been on many an occasion....do your own research

Farmor15

Most adults will have had chickenpox as children but the virus lies dormant and can re-occur as shingles later in life. If all children got vaccinated against chickenpox, they would not get shingles later.

As mentioned in my post above, I looked this up and it is still possible to get shingles after having the chicken pox jab.

PS - I’m not an antivaxer and have everything going. 😐

I can remember having chickenpox very badly when I was eight. I was off school for nearly a month and the doctor came to the house to check that it was not smallpox as the smallpox vaccine hadn't taken. A few weeks before, in early December and two days after my birthday, I came down with proper flu for the first time in my life. It was horrible and I wonder now if it was because my immune system was compromised that I suffered from chickenpox so badly in January. A few months later, I began the endless ear infections that eventually led to my first mastoidectomy when I was 10 1/2 and a lifetime of deafness and ear infections. We will never know for certain and it was over fifty years ago
Chickenpox, while usually mild, can be very nasty, especially for adults. A vaccine is a good idea.

Frogs

Farmor15

Most adults will have had chickenpox as children but the virus lies dormant and can re-occur as shingles later in life. If all children got vaccinated against chickenpox, they would not get shingles later.

As mentioned in my post above, I looked this up and it is still possible to get shingles after having the chicken pox jab.

But milder…

“it was the covid debacle, the lies and psychological manipulation that put so many more people off vaccines.”

* Colls* Please elucidate?

I know of 2 children who went temporarily colour blind after having chickenpox but I still agree with Undines.

Unfortunately I suffered chicken pox as an adult and it was a really horrible time. Many years later I had a really nasty bout of shingles.

Colls

I feel that, although there have been people against vaccines for a long time, it was the covid debacle, the lies and psychological manipulation that put so many more people off vaccines.

Sadly, the break of trust created in many people by all the lies an deceptions during covid will stop many, many also having the pre-covid, non MRNA vaccines leading to more cases of measles etc.
The pejorative term 'anti-vaxxers' will now be aimed at far larger numbers of people.

"Oh what a tangled web we (the Johnson goverment etc.) weave when first we practice to deceive."
The deaths, illnesses and psychological consequencies are still unfolding.

I suppose those of us who know something (well a lot) about science were all part of this alleged deception.
I did not trust the politicians during COVID (do what we say and not what we do) and they were also incompetent with the timing of lockdowns etc.
mRNA vaccines have been part of research programmes for several years even before COVID.
Childhood cancers have been around for many years although at one time they would be dead within six weeks of diagnosis whereas now they survive with cancer for many years.
The increase in younger adults with bowel cancer could well be due to the crap diet of KFC, maccy d, and crisps.
Unfortunately there are too many stupid people who trust drs Facebook and tiktok and ex nurse Kate more than those with knowledge and experience

When I was a child we all caught measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox and whooping cough. I never knew anybody seriously ill but of course some children were.
Now parents can’t afford for their children to be off school as they all need to work. This must be a big factor in the countless jabs given now, some for quite mild illnesses.

When we were children we weren't vaccinated against HiB (which causes bacterial meningitis / sepsis in babies & teenagers and has a very high fatality rate, much higher than viral meningitis)
But I think it's a given that if the vaccine had been around, we would have been given it.
We didn't have german measles vacc either (think I had the jab after my first pregnancy) and it's probable that an in utero infection with this caused my congenital hearing loss.
Nor did we have the HPV vaccine that prevents cervical cancer.

So Jeannied you would prefer a world where nobody has a vaccination against anything and presumably you think that there should have been no vaccinations in the past either? Fine we would all love to be able to catch smallpox which has now been eliminated world wide, and you think that it would be okay if you went swimming in a swimming pool to catch polio and perhaps be bed ridden for life? That's what the outcome would be if vaccinations weren't available. In the past I have had to deal with polio patients in an iron lung machine. I bet they would have given anything to have had a vaccination available

As a child I had measles, which caused meningitis and I was hospitalised for weeks. My parents thought I would die or at least have a permanent disability, but I was lucky. I still remember the time in hospital and I hated it. The nurses all seemed horrible and wanted to be at home. It affected my view of hospitals for years. I would never have wanted my children (or any children)to experience that.

Even though I worked for the NHS and have been treated for various things too numerous to mention, I had a bad experience when I was about 8 when I went into hospital to have my appendix removed. I was admitted to an adult ward and was crying in pain. The charming nurse told me to stop being such a baby. Thank goodness things are so different these days and parents can be with their children

growstuff

As a child I had measles, which caused meningitis and I was hospitalised for weeks. My parents thought I would die or at least have a permanent disability, but I was lucky. I still remember the time in hospital and I hated it. The nurses all seemed horrible and wanted to be at home. It affected my view of hospitals for years. I would never have wanted my children (or any children)to experience that.

One of my children caught measles before she was old enough to have the vaccine. I think the measles vaccine was routinely given at 15 months years ago (before MMR).

Gogo84

Even though I worked for the NHS and have been treated for various things too numerous to mention, I had a bad experience when I was about 8 when I went into hospital to have my appendix removed. I was admitted to an adult ward and was crying in pain. The charming nurse told me to stop being such a baby. Thank goodness things are so different these days and parents can be with their children

I was told the same by a headmistress who would not let me go home with appendicitis pains. As soon as I staggered home, my mother called an ambulance.

valdavi

When we were children we weren't vaccinated against HiB (which causes bacterial meningitis / sepsis in babies & teenagers and has a very high fatality rate, much higher than viral meningitis)
But I think it's a given that if the vaccine had been around, we would have been given it.
We didn't have german measles vacc either (think I had the jab after my first pregnancy) and it's probable that an in utero infection with this caused my congenital hearing loss.
Nor did we have the HPV vaccine that prevents cervical cancer.

The rubella vaccine was routinely given to girls at the beginning of secondary school in the seventies. I didn't have it because I had had the disease a few months previously. When I got married, I had a test to make sure I was immune to rubella. I was, thankfully, but would have gratefully had the vaccination if this were not so. One other vaccine that we all routinely had at around the age of thirteen was the TB vaccine. My oldest son had the vaccine but, by the time my younger son and daughter were the age for it, it had been stopped for children who were born in this country as it was felt they werè not at much risk. At the time TB was hardly seen but, with the large numbers of people arriving from countries where it is endemic, it is starting to become a problem once again and I think the decision not to routinely vaccinate schoolchildren will prove to have been short-sighted.

There is a trend for people to post ' I / my brother/ sister had mumps / measles/ rubella / chickenpox and our strong healthy bodies were just fine"
These are anecdotes. They do not negate research which suggests some people suffer consequences, some long term and very serious, and some fatal, from the same diseases.
In addition, herd immunity offers some protection to those children who do not have strong healthy bodies, possibly because they are fighting other medical problems. I speak as someone who had links to a school for children with severe and complex needs.

I am happy that this is available as I had chickenpox in my mid-twenties and was very ill with it.
Was off work for a month and not back to full health for probably 3 months so if it can save someone going through that then its a good thing.
So many nasty diseases are making a comeback because of people not taking up vaccinations being offered.

I think most people were fine. Certainly, when I had German Measles, I was off school for a week and I hardly knew l had it. However, there is always a minority of people who are very much not fine and for whom these diseases can be very serious. Many of us on this thread have given examples. As for German Measles, the illness is very mild, but, as we all know, can have devastating consequences if caught in the first three months of pregnancy. Measles is a nasty disease and many people have lifelong hearing and sight problems as a result. Mumps can have very distressing side effects if caught by an adolescent boy. I have described my own experience of chickenpox upthread and how l think it ultimately led to lifelong problems. While these childhood diseases are generally fairly mild for most children, they are not for all and we cannot know beforehand who will be seriously affected. If adults catch them, the results can be horrendous. This is why I agree with you that vacines are the best prevention.

Many, many, years ago, whilst living in Jamaica, I worked in a pre school for Rubella deaf children. So many children affected by the lack of Rubella vaccination for the general population which would have meant their mothers would not have come in contact with affected children. Rubella, in itself, is generally mild but it’s consequences most certainly are not.

As I understand it the Chickenpox vaccine will be added to the MMR one.
What they seem to have forgotten is that lots of parents were unhappy with the combined MMR because there was much dispute at the time as to whether it caused brain damage.
Notwithstanding that this is no longer thought to be the case, some parents will still be unwilling to take what they see to be a risk with their precious children.
I was one of those when the MMR vaccine started. The midwife I had when my first child was born, whom I trusted implicitly, advised me not to have any live vaccines for her as there was severe Asthma in both families and this was a contra-indication.

I would however, have had my daughters vaccinated if my GP would agree to each vaccine being given separately - I explained I was worried about so many chemicals being injected at once - but they wouldn't, so I made the very difficult decision to go without.
I am quite sure that some parents today will have the same concerns, so I think that if they offered these vaccines separately, it may lead to a better take up.

If they offered each vaccine in a single dose, a month apart say, they may get a better uptake.

I had CP aged 29 ( despite Mum certain I had it as a child)
I caught it from a child with few spots.... I was covered.
Spots under my eyelids, on palms of hands, soles of feet and on my vulva.
My health visitor had worked in a Smallpox hospital in India and had never seen so many spots.
It was hideous and I cried for my Mum .
Such a terrible time.
I gave it to my 2 little ones ..3 and 1 . They only got a few spots.
The next baby, now 38 , never,ever got it ... Probably because I developed great antibodies!!!