Arguments for puberty blockers

I am so sorry Luckygirl, I hope you have some support as well, it is such a mess.

I absolutely recognise that some people have problems over their sexual identity but there has to be a better way of helping them to live happy lives; and a way that does not commit very young children to "treatments" that they cannot draw back from when they are far too young to decide.

Yes, this absolutely.

Rosie51

Not quite the same though M0nica. The surgeon deliberately damaged his own legs making amputation necessary, he didn't have healthy legs amputated.

But he had healthy limbs that he chose to damage in order to get them amputated. if he could have got healthy limbs amputated, he would not have damaged them first.

M0nica

Rosie51

Not quite the same though M0nica. The surgeon deliberately damaged his own legs making amputation necessary, he didn't have healthy legs amputated.

But he had healthy limbs that he chose to damage in order to get them amputated. if he could have got healthy limbs amputated, he would not have damaged them first.

Oh I agree I'm sure he would. The point I was making is that he couldn't get his healthy legs amputated so he damaged them badly enough to force amputation. Not the same as young women having their perfectly healthy breasts removed.

Rosie51, we must agree to differ.

I'm a bit conflicted, I think the Tavistock clinic was wrong to prescribe puberty blockers when there had been insufficient research into their use. However, I can't help thinking that there may be some who might be helped by their judicious use but without proper research we'll never know. There is to be a research trial. I understand that Streeting is not pro the use of puberty blockers but has reluctantly agreed to the trial so that decisions can be made on the basis of proper evidence. Tbh I think that's where I am.

Galaxy

I am so sorry Luckygirl, I hope you have some support as well, it is such a mess.

Thank you. It is also so hard for their parents, my DD and her OH.

I heard Wes Streeting discussing his reasons for reluctantly accepting medical advice on the use of puberty blockers, but I don't think he has much experience of young children and their ability to make considered decisions which will impact their future development.
I am totally opposed to them being given at such a young age, for whatever reason.

If puberty blockers are so harmful why are they given to children with precocious puberty? Are they harmed? Would precocious puberty cause worse problems?

I haven't heard this discussed/explained.

Galaxy

Yes as I was writing I thought about plastic surgery and the damage it can do. But fir other body dysphoria issues we don't do this, we don't tell anorexics they are fat, we dont cut off healthy limbs, or at least I hope we don't.

I remember not understanding people talking about people going to extreme levels with plastic surgery, sure there was the odd extreme like "the bride of Wildenstein" I think she was called something like that. Now I see so many women with huge lips, puffed out cheeks, eye shape changed and I do think it is verging on self harm. Of course doctors are doing these things.

Wes Streeting will have listened to a range of different views and formed his opinion from what he has heard. I think the fact that he is, like many of us, inherently opposed to giving beta blockers to children, this will not have been an easy decision for him. He may not have "young children" but it's unreasonable to expect government ministers to have experience of everything that relates to the decisions he has to make in his role.

theworriedwell

If puberty blockers are so harmful why are they given to children with precocious puberty? Are they harmed? Would precocious puberty cause worse problems?

I haven't heard this discussed/explained.

Early puberty (before the age of 8) leads to lifelong medical consequences. Increased of breast and reproductive organ cancers, diabetes, cardiovascular problems, bone growth and also the emotional, psychological effects of having to deal with early sexuality. Not just menstruation or ejaculation but the urges that a child of five or six cannot possibly understand.

When I worked with children I did once have a little boy of 5 in my care who was already on puberty blockers. Then, as now, not much was known about long term effects, but in his case it was, I think, the lesser of two evils.

the worriedweall There are hundreds of dangerous substances that are given to people because they can help cure a greater evil - which is their illness. Thatis why many pople are constantly having there medications montored, regular blood tests and all the rest.

Puberty blockers are just part of this range. Dangerous and unsuitable for children, except when they have a medical condition, the effects of which are far worse than the potential bad side efects of the medication.

M0nica

*the worriedweall* There are hundreds of dangerous substances that are given to people because they can help cure a greater evil - which is their illness. Thatis why many pople are constantly having there medications montored, regular blood tests and all the rest.

Puberty blockers are just part of this range. Dangerous and unsuitable for children, except when they have a medical condition, the effects of which are far worse than the potential bad side efects of the medication.

So what are the bad side effects?

I’ve listed the main ones above, worriedwell, and you can easily find them on Google too.

theworriedwell

M0nica

the worriedweall There are hundreds of dangerous substances that are given to people because they can help cure a greater evil - which is their illness. Thatis why many pople are constantly having there medications montored, regular blood tests and all the rest.

Puberty blockers are just part of this range. Dangerous and unsuitable for children, except when they have a medical condition, the effects of which are far worse than the potential bad side efects of the medication.

So what are the bad side effects?

read this link www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075

Legalised child abuse, legalised experiments!

Oh, you meant the side effects of puberty blockers, not of early puberty.

Sorry, totally got the wrong end of the stick there😳