Vegan/Plant based.

They presumably enjoy the smell of eau d' Tomcat around the house.
Of course, unnneuterered male cats have a good chance of being run over, getting into fights, and all kinds of other problems.

David49

nightowl

Most vegans don’t agree with having pets but many care for rescue animals of various species. They most certainly would not mutilate them to make them easier to live with. That doesn’t make sense.

So vegans dont castrate or spey pets, are you sure.?

It is impossible to adopt an animal from a rescue centre that has not been castrated or speyed so you can't lay that one at the feet of vegans taking on rescue animals.

Honestly, having been with a terminal ill friend, I am amazed that this thread is still running. It's have a go time at the thought-to-be-taking-a-high-moral-stance is it, or just bitching at people who are a bit different, perhaps led by the tabloids who would absolutely run stories about vegans feeding their children unhealthy diets and killing them as a result!!

As Fallingstar says above, what on earth is this about? Argy bargy, quite. I couldn't resist Googling deaths from meat heavy diets:

A meat-heavy diet—particularly one rich in red and processed meats—is strongly linked to an increased risk of premature death, heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes, and certain cancers.
These adverse health outcomes are primarily driven by high intakes of saturated fat, heme iron, and chemical preservatives.
Key Health Risks & FatalitiesMortality:
Studies indicate that substituting meat with healthy plant-based proteins significantly lowers the risk of premature death.
High red meat consumption accounts for an estimated 896,000 premature deaths globally per year.
Cardiovascular Disease:
High saturated fat and sodium in red and processed meats drive up blood pressure and LDL ("bad") cholesterol, significantly increasing the risk of fatal heart attacks and strokes.Cancer:
Regular consumption of processed meats (e.g., bacon, sausages) and high intakes of red meat are classified by the WHO as carcinogenic, particularly regarding colorectal and prostate cancers.
Type 2 Diabetes: Diets high in processed meats are shown to increase the risk of developing diabetes by up to 32%.Extreme Diets (The Carnivore Diet): Zero-carb diets entirely exclude plant fiber and phytonutrients, putting severe strain on the kidneys and resulting in nutritional deficiencies, inflammation, and elevated cholesterol.

As for young people who don't cook properly, most young people I've come across from meat eating families, feed themselves on pizza, pasta, McDonalds, burgers, chips and takeaways. They also feed their children on such and on food in jars from the weaning! Not very healthy!

Cases where a child on a vegan diet has died typically involve severe medical neglect, extreme dietary restrictions (such as raw food or "clean eating" obsessions), or a complete failure to provide essential infant nutrition like breastmilk or commercial infant formula.Major pediatric and nutritional organizations, including the National Institutes of Health (NIH), state that a well-planned vegan diet can meet the nutritional needs of infants and children, provided it includes critical supplementation (especially vitamin B12). However, several high-profile criminal cases have highlighted the fatal consequences of extreme or mismanaged diets.

When medical professionals evaluate these tragedies, they repeatedly distinguish between a standard, nutritionally sound plant-based diet and fatal malnutrition.

But a duet isn’t nutritionally sound if it’s necessary to take manufactured supplements for good health, is it?

I understand a revulsion against eating other species, there are some I feel that way about myself, and that’s an understandable matter of personal taste.

But I believe that claims like nutritionally sound or better for the planet should be open to question and proof and refuted if proved untrue.

Arguments for a meat heavy diet would also hit the sticking points outlined above but that is the other extreme.

To me most research shows that a mixed, balanced and varied diet is the best for optimum health.

Did you include alcohol and its affects in your search?

I won't quote granatlast007,s post it was too long, but it is doing what almost every Vegan poster (except Norah) has done on this thread, first telling us what a wonderfully healthy nutritious diet they eat, never does a food containing UPFs cross their doorstep and then compares it with the worst excesses of a non-vegan diet. Someone stuffing themselves with meat and fat all day long, with nothing healthy ever reaching their mouths.

They never compare like with like, the best and healthyist vegan diet with the healthyist diet that includes meat and, on welfare grounds, always use the worst of the American feed lot horrors but never consider the growing pasture for life animals rearing process and the part it plays in regenerative agriculture

Life on earth from the smallest most basic one cell organism to humans is a continuing chain of one organism exploiting another for continuing life. We are all predator and prey, and there is no alternative. Isn't living on plants predation? when land is exploited to grow more crop, crops specially developed through breeding to have large crops Crops grown in a way to deter insect 'pests' and diseases? Isn't that predation?

All of us (or most of us) have an arbitary line beyond which we do not eat - I only eat pasture for life meat, vegans do not eat animals and fish, vegetarians eat dairy products. Jews and Muslims do not eat pork and have other food restraints. My DD will not eat tomatoes.

We all have these food inhibitions for serious or frivolous reasons and veganism is just one or many, more common than in the past, but nothing special and certainly there is nothing virtuous about it. It still exploits living organism Their choice of foods exploits and distorts other living organism to increase yields and kills insects, bees in particular.

Found on SM
If a right-winger is vegan, then he simply doesn't eat meat.
If a left-winger is vegan, then he wants to ban meat, halt food production, and protest outside farms, and castigate anyone who isn’t vegan.

My grandson was unintentionally vegan, from weaning, because of severe allergies. He was under a consultant and a dietitian up to the age of 6 or 7 when he began to grow out of his allergies. His diet was scrutinised and pronounced healthy, with no supplementation of any kind. He still doesn’t eat meat and hates the taste of cows’ milk, but eats dairy in cooking. There is a lot of misinformation about plant based diets.

Mollygo

Found on SM
If a right-winger is vegan, then he simply doesn't eat meat.
If a left-winger is vegan, then he wants to ban meat, halt food production, and protest outside farms, and castigate anyone who isn’t vegan.

Exactly

Granatlast007 As for young people who don't cook properly, most young people I've come across from meat eating families, feed themselves on pizza, pasta, McDonalds, burgers, chips and takeaways. They also feed their children on such and on food in jars from the weaning! Not very healthy!

I suspect Vegans eat no more horrid food than anyone else.

'Beyond Meat' (plant based) burger, pizzas are featured in restaurants, cafes, and pubs and seemingly sell quite well.

'Beyond Meat' -- Proteins: Pea protein (15-16%), rice protein. Fats and Oils: Rapeseed oil, coconut oil. Texture and Binding: Potato starch, methylcellulose, calcium chloride, dried yeast. Flavor and Color: Vinegar, salt, potassium salt, apple extract, beetroot red (color), concentrated pomegranate juice

GN readers seem to often procure Pizza, McDonalds, fish and chips, takeways, ready-meals. Not all of these people are Vegans.

I watch a vegan couple on youtube.
They show how easy it is to eat vegan alternatives to meat, but I wouldn't say their diets looks very healthy.
A lot of the stuff they buy is processed, but, well... good for them if they're commited to not eating meat, because they do what they set out to.

It’s easy enough to cater for vegetarians but I find vegan visitors a complete pain. Everything has to be different for the vegan or everyone else has to eat vegan food. I can make ok vegan cakes but they’re not as nice as my usual offerings. Many vegan foods, like cheese, are highly processed. It’s also awkward when someone turns up with their own food instead of eating what their host has prepared.

I can't make a cake, vegan or otherwise.
They'd have to bring their own.

watermeadow

It’s easy enough to cater for vegetarians but I find vegan visitors a complete pain. Everything has to be different for the vegan or everyone else has to eat vegan food. I can make ok vegan cakes but they’re not as nice as my usual offerings. Many vegan foods, like cheese, are highly processed. It’s also awkward when someone turns up with their own food instead of eating what their host has prepared.

Our AC are not vegan, we cook meat, poultry, fish for them, Vegan mains for ourselves. We all eat the same sides and salads.

No problem cooking for a mixed group.

watermeadow
It’s like someone saying they only eat Thai food, or Mexican, or Japanese food.
It’s not necessarily that you can’t cook it but if everyone else is having a roast dinner, it’s a lot of extra effort.
I’m never offended if the only vegan guest I invite, turns up with their own food as long as I know that’s what they’re going to do and as long as they don’t want to take over the kitchen to cook it.

I think vegan meals are as easy or difficult as anything else.
It depends entirely on what you decide to cook.

There is a lot of cruelty involved in the production of meat for human consumption. That should be addressed and resolved more effectively.
Yes, we have evolved and succeeded as omnivores.
Yes, some people can live healthily on vegan diets.
MOnica, your cycle of life posts are epic.

Maremia

There is a lot of cruelty involved in the production of meat for human consumption. That should be addressed and resolved more effectively.
Yes, we have evolved and succeeded as omnivores.
Yes, some people can live healthily on vegan diets.
MOnica, your cycle of life posts are epic.

Thank you for the compliment. This thread has had me thinking deeply on the subject, probably deeper than I have ever thought on the subject before, but I must disagree with you on cruelty in meat production. Organic and Pasture for Life meat does not involve cruelty.

Cattle are grazed throughout their lives on unimproved pasture, as are cattle in the wild, but unlike wild cattle they get medical treatment if ill or injured. Slaughter is at local small abbatoirs, and sometimes on the farm.

I know plenty of vegans, some close family, l don't define them by what they eat, nor them me.

I do not believe slaughter is ever cruelty free yet l eat meat, my hypocrisy leads me to understand the animal welfare versus animal rights dichotomy. Life is ever a compromise.

OldFrill

I know plenty of vegans, some close family, l don't define them by what they eat, nor them me.

I do not believe slaughter is ever cruelty free yet l eat meat, my hypocrisy leads me to understand the animal welfare versus animal rights dichotomy. Life is ever a compromise.

Well put.
But some people do define others by what they eat, and frequently in a vs manner.

NotSpaghetti

I think vegan meals are as easy or difficult as anything else.
It depends entirely on what you decide to cook.

Indeed.

Our Vegan meals are as easy as any other meals.

So are ours, Norah though we cook vegetarian dishes probably half the time I suppose.

When I think of the days I raised pastry... that took some doing!

Mollygo, I suspect that your post, yesterday at 11, in which you list the difference between left wing vegans and right wing vegans might indicate a degree of prejudice, rather than a statement of fact.
I am a left wing vegetarian and I refer you to my previous posts on this thread.
Does anything I have listed support your suggestion?

Chocolatelovinggran

Mollygo, I suspect that your post, yesterday at 11, in which you list the difference between left wing vegans and right wing vegans might indicate a degree of prejudice, rather than a statement of fact.
I am a left wing vegetarian and I refer you to my previous posts on this thread.
Does anything I have listed support your suggestion?

It probably does. If I don’t agree with something I think it shows prejudice too.
I’ll see if I’ve got time to go back and read your posts.