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Splitting up - managing on State Pension (scared)

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seacliff Thu 24-Nov-16 13:44:59

Sorry for length of this.After 30 years of not very happy marriage, things have come to a head, and we are splitting up. We have a house to sell, that needs work before we can sell, so will not be until Spring. Meanwhile I am trying to sort my finances out for the future, I will be pretty broke. I just would like any advice/suggestions from others who’ve been in similar position please, as I’m a bit scared how I will manage.I will have enough money hopefully to buy a place, hopefully a small modern bungalow in a nearby market town. I don’t think I’ll have much left for savings. My car is quite old and really needs replacing. However I’m not sure I can afford to keep it.I am choosing the market town because I could walk to various places like library, shops, U3A, railway station etc. I know a few people there, it seems a friendly place. I will have no family near.

My younger sister is in London, but although I’d love to live near her, I don’t like living in suburbs and also couldn’t afford it. She is over 2 hours drive away.

I work part time at moment, just 2 days, and I have my state pension. Work involves over 1 hours drive each way, so my net income after car costs/petrol is not much. I’m thinking I might be best to retire, as I may then qualify for some extra benefits? I would then volunteer as don’t want to sit home all day. I also have a VERY small work pension that I haven’t taken yet. I may be better to take it as a cash sum.Also depending on costs, if I had a bit over after selling, I’d love to give my sons a small lump sum each towards a deposit, which would help them a lot.I just can’t imagine how I will manage on state pension. The only other thing I considered, is buying a house and renting out a room or two, or half the house. Not at all ideal, as I don’t want to share. Any ideas please, I hate the feeling of uncertainty. However I'm hoping we will both be happier once it's all sorted.

Jane10 Thu 24-Nov-16 13:59:52

Well you're really thinking this through very sensibly. Good idea to move to small town with easily accessible activities. Its a kind thought to offer your sons some money but should you maybe hang on to your nest egg on a just in case basis?
Getting rid of the car would be a saving. Do you have a free bus pass or can you get a rail card for longer journeys? Good luck with it all anyway. A big adventure for you in 2017.

Charleygirl Thu 24-Nov-16 14:00:24

Sorry seacliff I do not agree with you. I do not think that you should be giving your boys money for house deposits if you do not know how you are going to manage yourself. Some of that dosh could go towards buying a small second hand car and the obvious maintenance costs of it and the house.

I would consider renting- but if you choose carefully it need not be somebody who is living in the house 24/7. I know of the husband of somebody on GN who rents a room Monday-Thursday.

Good luck

Jayanna9040 Thu 24-Nov-16 14:05:55

You will get other benefits if you only have the basic state pension so you might do better to take the work pension as a lump sum. Bungalows can be comparatively expensive depending on their availability kin your area so be prepared to look at small houses or flats too. It's surprising how little you need once you stop work. Don't be scared. It's a whole new life.

seacliff Thu 24-Nov-16 14:21:01

Yes I do have a free bus pass. I have never used it yet, as we are out in the sticks.I would be able to get to my friends by bus if I moved to the market town.

I only thought of a bungalow as I have dodgy knees. I would consider a flat (poss ground floor) but really want a little private outside space, courtyard/big balcony . Thing that put me off flat was paying maintenance charges which I know could increase any time.

A car is so useful, I would miss it, but know I have no choice. I understand what you're saying about giving some to my boys. Will have to see how things work out financially.

seacliff Thu 24-Nov-16 15:06:41

I have been trying to think of best options. I even thought it would be good to be a mid terrace, as I'd get warmth from both sides, instead of detached!

I know someone at Citizens Advice, will ask about any possible extra benefits.

OH has not worked for over 2 years (depression). Been living off savings and my money. I just know as soon as we split, he will go and get another extremely well paid contract!!

chelseababy Thu 24-Nov-16 15:12:14

Be careful about giving away money and then claiming benefits as you may be treated as having deliberately deprived yourself of the capital and treated as still having it.

Ana Thu 24-Nov-16 15:14:16

Don't get too far ahead of yourself, seacliff, even when the work's been done on your current house it's still got to sell, and that can take time. The position as regards benefits etc. may have changed by then too.

Keep an eye on property for sale in your area of choice (Zoopla and Rightmove are good) to get a feel for the market. If you're able to buy outright I'm sure you'll be able to manage on your pension - good luck!

yggdrasil Thu 24-Nov-16 15:14:55

Have you seen a solicitor? You may be entitled to money from your husband after divorce. The CAB should be able to give you a heads up there too. Also you might be able to get a different job once you have moved which will not include driving.

seacliff Thu 24-Nov-16 15:25:30

Thanks everyone. It is just reassuring to know it can be done, I have an awful feeling in my stomach at the thought of it all.

Yes I would love to get a more local job. Not sure how easy at 66, but I would give it a try, would help me meet more people too.

Re savings, I doubt if I'll have much. Most of our white goods are pretty old, so will have bit of expense starting up 2 households.

I hadn't thought of a solicitor - we agreed to split it half each. He has no pension, just any future money he may earn if he starts working after we split.

Welshwife Thu 24-Nov-16 16:10:20

if your income is low you will be able to have things like pension credit and it seems to me that if you are eligible to one benefit then others open up to you. You are also allowed some savings and still claim help - if you look on your Council website about getting benefits they tell you there how much savings you can have.
If you have spare money maybe you would be better getting yourself a newer small car to give you as much freedom as you wish and also make your new home comfortable so you are not trying to get things replaced etc. After all that then look at any money you may have before giving it to your sons - it is no good if you do that and then need financial help etc a couple of years down the line.

seacliff Thu 24-Nov-16 17:19:02

Thanks everyone. Apparently I can go to CA and get a benefits check for various scenarios. It cannot be definite of course as we don't know what we'll sell/buy for. And benefits could change. I just want a bit of peace of mind about it all.

I have been working 3 days a week, and just had agreement to reduce to 2. This is partly because the journey is pretty tiring, over an hour each way om a good day.Also driving costs and tax mean going to 2 days, I won't lose too much, I hope I'm doing the right thing.

M0nica Thu 24-Nov-16 22:00:04

seacliff go and talk to Age UK rather than CAB. They are more clued up on pension matters. There will be a branch locally, you will find its address online of you do not know where it is. In the meanwhile Age UK also publish a lot of Fact Sheets. The following one is called 'More money in your pocket' and will give you a a guide to all benefits available to older people.

www.ageuk.org.uk/Documents/EN-GB/Information-guides/AgeUKIG43_More_Money_In_Your_Pocket_inf.pdf?dtrk=true

Jayanna9040 Fri 25-Nov-16 00:29:24

Just a bit more reassurance. I moved to a newish mid terrace. Sound insulation is excellent. My neighbours are delightful, close but not intrusive. Fuel bills about £50 a month.Water is on a solo tariff about £7. Food because I'm cooking what I want about £25 a week. Clothes are jeans and jumpers from asda or sainsbury. Honestly it's fine as long as you make good choices.

seacliff Fri 25-Nov-16 10:09:17

Age UK link info very helpful thanks MOnica. Not done it yet but I will.

Jayanna, your details really helped me too, knowing the actual amounts people are paying in similar housing, very grateful. At the minute we only have oil and elec, and not on mains drainage.I actually get quite a bit of clothing from George at Asda. I have quite a few clothes (just ordinary) and also have lots of shampoo/cleanser etc. Will take me a while to use it all.

I will be making soups and veggie bakes etc, I should lose weight as will be walking more and not being able to afford junk food. Usually a silver lining if you look hard enough!

Now just got to clear the house and barns of 20+ years of junk/old kids toys/OHs several old cars etc etc.Sadly we have 6 cats,some may need rehoming, as they are used to country and have little road sense. Also, I can't afford more than one.

At the moment I have quite an upset tummy because of all this.I think I must start telling everyone whats happening, so it is real, and we do go ahead this time. Just wish I knew where I'd be this time next year.

daphnedill Fri 25-Nov-16 12:09:05

Beware of having savings if you have a low income, because you won't be eligible for Pension Credit. You will be expected to spend the money before you can claim any benefits.

I moved to a town from a village with no facilities and poor transport links. I do have a car, but I don't use it that often, because I force myself to walk whenever possible, which I couldn't do in a village. I'm not old enough for a bus pass, but I do have a Senior Railcard, which has paid for itself many times over.

One way or the other you're going to find it a wrench, but it's do-able. When I was married, I lived in a big four bedroom detached house. Over the years I've downsized three times and, quite honestly, I don't miss any of the junk I'd accumulated. I also enjoy cooking just for me, which much of the time means not cooking at all. I eat salads and eggs, cheese or tinned fish during the Summer, which means there's hardly any washing up either and the oven doesn't need cleaning! Work out a strict budget and stick to it - and make sure you don't become isolated - the U3A is great and small towns often have reading groups, knitting circles...whatever floats your boat.

Lazigirl Fri 25-Nov-16 13:38:13

I agree about bungalows having price premium. A new build would be more economical to run, better insulated and less maintenance, which is important for long term, if you can find somewhere to suit you. You can always instal stair lift if knees deteriorate! Seems scary to embark on such a life change but you are obviously approaching it very thoughtfully and you will probably discover a whole new life, interests and friends when you've settled.

meadowgran Fri 25-Nov-16 14:28:13

In relation to the sum you will have once the house is sold. Now is the time to gather money. Make sure that you don't give away or promise any of your capital from your house sale until you have been living on your own for at least two years and you understand exactly what your outgoings are. It is not just house deposits. What contribution would you want to make to your sons' weddings and what about helping future grandchildren? That money can never be replaced again and there could be a lot of calls on it.
Work out various realistic budget scenarios on paper on what you could buy if you had to reduce the sale price of your house by say 10 or 15 percent.
Be very cautious about what you spend on the new house don't be tempted to replace white goods, take the old ones with you and replace them in turn as needed. Take into account that you will have both sale and purchase costs on the move and set a tight budget for those costs , shop around for solicitors, removal and estate agents costs and any decoration, carpets , repairs and replacements needed such as a new boiler and any improvements needed at both properties. Also budget for some abortive costs if your purchase falls through for some reason as can happen such as costs of surveys and solicitors work to date, it mounts up. Make sure you have a proper survey on the house you buy. Get yourself into the market by looking at properties from now on and assess what is value for money and which areas you should buy in.
You can just about live on a state pension of say around £540 per month but it will be very, very tight. Running a car will be difficult to afford. Perhaps you should be wary about giving up your job at this stage until after you have moved and settled in. Start reading the money saving expert forums MSE now there are lots of useful tips there. Hopefully you will be eligible for Council Tax benefit which otherwise will be one of your biggest monthly items. Find out about the savings limits for benefits as up to a certain amount of savings there is a tapering reduction in benefits. Having a pet could also be difficult on a tight budget how would you pay vet's bills? You must also think about the long term future as if the government removes the triple lock on state pensions in 2020 as they are indicating they will, our state pensions will then gradually lose value and will not go as far. By the time you are 75 you could be relatively much worse off than now.
Check what Council tax band your property purchase is in. Oh and don't forget to check broadband speed before you even go and look at the property!
Make sure you get your rightful share of the marriage assets. The temptation is to agree everything in a hurry because you feel guilty and let your husband get away with too much. Go through the proposals for the divorce settlement with a fine toothcomb.
Finally presumably the advice to improve your current home before marketing it has come from an estate agent. If not get the opinion of two or three agents and a current valuation before deciding what to do to the current property.
Lots to think about, a big change in your life, I am sure you can do it, bon courage!

merlin Fri 25-Nov-16 18:44:44

Lazigirl is spot on. When looking at property to move to do consider houses as well. It may work out better to factor in the cost of a stairlift as an immediate purchase when comparing as bungalows can be very much more expensive than comparable houses.

seacliff Fri 25-Nov-16 19:22:11

Yes, I have seen some new lovely builds, 2 bedroom terraced. I have never had a brand new house - must admit would be lovely to think I had the 10 year NHBC. I also hadn't considered stair lift as an answer if needed in future, thanks.

There are 2 possible small towns I'm considering, I have at least 1 friend in each. The cheaper place is not so attractive, but there is enough going on there.

I will now look at a 2 bed in each, and find out difference in council tax, as they are under different councils.My son said maybe I should not buy immediately, but rent for 6 months, to make sure I like it. But then I'd have added expense of storing my possessions. It would mean I'd be a cash buyer.The thought of selling up ours and buying new at same time is daunting, in case one falls through.

I am also finding out about proposed new builds for 2017- may as well see wats coming up.
This is all helping me feel my way,

seacliff Fri 25-Nov-16 19:22:59

what's coming up!

M0nica Fri 25-Nov-16 20:40:42

seacliff I think your son is right. A friend rushed out to buy a house when she needed to downsize, admittedly she chose to move several hundred miles, but everyone advised her to rent for six months first, but she refused for the reasons you state and lived to regret it, she never settled in her new location.

Welshwife Fri 25-Nov-16 21:15:01

According to the Age UK website the first £10,000 of savings are ignored for many benefits and for Pension Credit it looks as if you can have more than that.

SparklyGrandma Fri 25-Nov-16 23:06:06

seacliff I downsized after a divorce, and made sure I moved to a small town with a railway line to a very large town with everything in it. That way, car not needed and railway journey if I meet friends for lunch is lovely.
I would be wary of buying property with rooms to rent out, better to get small 2 bed flat bungalow or house which is smaller and easier to heat, clean. I couldn't believe the difference in heating costs when downsizing from a 3 bed large house to a ground floor modest 2 bed flat.
You might need a solicitor to handle the 'Financial matters' side of your divorce as well as the divorce application itself. Don't sell yourself short - remember its not uncommon to live until we are 90 in the UK - get independent financial advice about investing any capital left over to maximize your income.Good luck.

meadowgran Sat 26-Nov-16 08:23:04

Please don't waste money on rent, and a rent deposit, the cost of storage and an extra removal plus having your things in store will make you feel rootless. I speak from experience! You have plenty of time to narrow down your search area which is local to you and find one or more ideal properties and to do your research as you are moving in the local area. If the sale and purchase chain falls through a couple of times it isn't the end of the world just steel yourself to expect that it might and even if you are a cash buyer purchases can fall through. Usually the chain works even if there are some stressful and hairy moments.
Hopefully you are aware of the email property funds frauds on solicitors email accounts and you will take steps to prevent this with your solicitor.
if you do have any money left over be very very cautious about who you take financial advice from make sure you use a registered independent adviser lots of advice on line on how to find one.