Will making

I don't know how you could persuade him, other than to make it clear to him that his estate will be divided equally between his two children, estranged or not, if he dies without making a Will.

Other than that, there's nothing you can do - I don't think 'persuasion' sounds like a good idea, tbh...

I guess it depends the reason for not making a will. If it is expense, it might be better to have a DIY will than no will at all.

What is certain is that somebody will have to sort out the assets of the person who dies and if that person has any preference where they go, a will is a must. Otherwise, it is all dictated by government rules.

Surely, it is better to have a will with your choice of executor than an outsider who, if solicitors are involved, will charge a fee. This article might help:

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/6438627/What-happens-if-you-die-without-a-will.html

There are also lots of information websites including Government and Citizens Advice Bureau. Hope this helps.

A little off topic, but related. My husband wants our son to make a funeral plan! I told him that he shouldn't bring this subject up with a 32 yr old. He'll come to that in his own good time. Husband says "well I'm not going to pay for his funeral". To which I rolled my eyes. I hope he outlives us both.

It's not really your business, PoshGran, but I understand that you care. Maybe try showing your brother the article that Cunco linked or show it to nephew and let him show it to his dad. Other than that, I don't think there's anything you can do.

Could be there's a reason brother only pays lip service to wanting property to go only to this one son? Maybe a part of him isn't fully against his estranged child sharing in the inheritance? So he says one thing but is just going to let the chips fall where they may? Aggravating but his choice.

Thank you all for your responses.

Ana - The death of my SiL three years ago prompted exactly that conversation.
Cunco - The article you mentioned is indeed very similar to one on the Government's website which I initially shared with him. Additionally, at different visits, so as not to overload, we have also discussed the free will-writing service carried out by some solicitors (each September, I think), professional Will Writers & DIY options! Each discussion elicits a positive response - but he needs to think about it!
Starlady - You are absolutely right in what you say about it not being my business - but thanks for understanding.

I will return to watch & see mode, until the next big problem or a request to come & "give him a break". He is currently awaiting results of bone marrow sampling to determine cause of recent severe anaemia.

So sorry about his health issues, PoshGran. I think it's wonderful that you go and visit him and, I guess, help him out when he needs it.

But I don't know why you have to get out of "watch & see mode" at those times. What's the point of bringing the issue up again? He obviously has no intention of making a will or is going to try to do it at the last minute. Nothing you say will change that. Let it go.

Thanks Starlady.
One of the reasons I find it hard to let go the issue of his not having a will (& please, don't get me wrong, I'm not nagging him every time we speak on the phone - those conversations are only ever face-to-face) is because following our mother's very sudden death 30 years ago, we went through all the legal rigmarole at that time.

I recall him saying that he wouldn't want his kids to have to do what we did - but it's possible he's forgotten - so, I agree that the issue is mine. Even though we are siblings, we don't really know each other well & have totally different outlooks on life. There's a 15 year gap between us, we have totally different memories of our parents, but we get on like a house on fire!

Thanks for your time.

When my aunt died (childless) and I inherited as her sole relation I had absolutely no difficulty getting letters of administration. So it is often a falacy to say it is difficult.

I have no children. ( I have one half brother but I do not speak to him) . I am only interested in seeing my DH getting all the money if I die ( to help him survive until he dies - after that, I dont give a flying pig what happens.

I dont want anyone trying to contest anything, so I have not and will not write a will unless anything has changed in that 2011 rules change to make my DH's inheritance of anything I have in my own name his and his alone.

I get sick of people trying to persuade me otherwise - maybe your relative is the same?

The best incentive for making a Will is to keep fees and tax down. If this gentleman is leaving a decent estate and he dies intestate then the real winners will be the lawyers and tax office. If you make your own will....you can choose executors, by whom and how you are buried etc and even make some provision to offset tax.....its enough of an incentive for me.

Contesting a Will is not an easy matter. So worrying about that is short sighted. There are only two reasons (for which you have to provide documentary evidence) one is mental incapacity the other is coercion (and that's just not someone nagging you)

That isnt the case though is it Hilda, given the number of examples in the press.

It seems that too often a persons last wishes are completely ignored by the courts. I would rather the lot went in taxes than give my only relatives anything ( they have never given me anything - and I have often been on the disadvantaged side when I was young). My aunt came through for me.

Having consulted a solicitor it is....the only exception is when a dependent can prove the deceased was providing for them financially and failed to make a provision in the will. Cases that get into the press are statistically rare - they just get covered because it makes for a good story.
abbey....you state you have a half brother that you choose to have nothing to do with. If you die intestate and there is no one to prove otherwise....he could make a claim on your estate.

My co-grandparents are estranged from their son and want only their daughter (my DiL) to inherit. We've told them till we're blue in the face that both estranged son and their daughter will have equal claim on their estate. But they just don't get it and refuse to make wills saying 'everyone knows what we want'

But then, they're from Yorkshire!!

HildaW, surely if abbey's husband is still alive when she dies, her half-brother would not be entitled to claim anything from her estate - it would all go to the surviving spouse.

(unless of course she is a Very Rich Person...)

So how can she make sure that her husband is still alive when she dies?

Elegran - I am assuming that if my husband pre deceases me then the situation will change. Right now I want a cast iron means of ensuring he gets my worldly goods and monies.

This is why I was so interested in another thread which commented that rules concerning how much a spouse could get were changed in 2011. However the poster only mentioned spouses and children. I need to know what happens when there are no children. the old intestacy rules used to leave all to a spouse in those circumstances.

It may well require that I juggle some accounts so that we fall inside the limits or we have both names on all accounts ( which isnt quite the case right now as I have some accounts in my own name only because they came from my aunt)

abbey try this clickbox explanation - step by step questions that lead you through it. Very clear.
www.gov.uk/inherits-someone-dies-without-will/y

The nearest thing to a cast iron guarantee is to make a will using a solicitor i.e. not DIY or using a will writer. They will tell you what the options are and take notes to explain why you want to do. Unless there are exceptional circumstnces that will prevent a challenge to your will. Remember that even if you die intestate the distribution can be challenged. Having said that challenging a will is an expensive and uncertain process.

That exactly true Yorkshireman99 - about it being best to go to a solicitor and get them to draw up a will. It's that kind of legal advice that's included in the cost of the will, which is in fact very reasonable.

The rules of intestacy depend upon when a person died. For deaths after 2 October 2014 if one died with a spouse/civil partner and children the spouse gets the personal chattels (which does not include any interest in property) and the first £250,000 of the net estate.

If the estate is more than that, anything over £250,000 is split half to the spouse and half to children equally, in trust until age 18.

If there are no children, or grandchildren the surviving spouse gets everything (it used to be split with parents and siblings.

To Hilda, a will can also be contested if certain people; surviving spouse/CP, children,persons treated as children of the family (step-children) or anyone supported by the deceased feel the will has not made "reasonable financial provision" for them. This was confirmed last week by the Supreme Court in a case called Illott v Mitson. It also means they won't necessarily succeed.

MAKE A WILL

I updated my will recently and I also have Lasting Power of Attorney, so I am sorted, even making provision for my cat if I should die first. It is so much easier for those left behind, in my case only cousins and they have not been included.

Does anyone know the english inheritance law if, like us, we're married and each has children from a previous marriage?