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making a will - OH not aware of content

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seacliff Sun 25-Feb-18 14:30:58

We have never got round to making a will, but now I am doing this for me without OH knowing. Our marriage has been rocky for years, he is not a great Dad and I don't trust him to help the children out if I go first. He is likely to blow the lot. I am a few years older so quite likely to go first.

I have seen a solicitor, and said I want to leave a lump sum to each child, so they at least have a bit towards a deposit. They have had no help from us, and deserve some. We both having savings in our own names so this works ok, most of mine is inherited from my parents who I know would want to help the G/C.

The solicitor understood our situation and strongly suggested that as well as the lump sum, I should leave them my share of the house, with proviso that OH lives in it as long as he wants, or a new marriage. Apparently this also means that if OH were needing to go into a home ever, half the house could not be counted when assessing his possessions, as it belongs to the children.

I will leave a letter to OH explaining my reasons why. Has anyone else ever done this type of thing? I feel bad about it, but also relief as I want my children to have some help.

OH will have some of his own money, but has no pension and has chosen not to work for past several years. When I mentioned this to solicitor, he said a clause can be added, saying if he downsizes, my half of the balance can be invested to give him an income for life, but the capital would still go to my children. I feel rather scared and upset at what I've done, but think I've been reasonably fair in the circumstances, although I think OH won't agree.

Also I don't want to make trouble between him and them, but he isn't best at staying in touch anyway. I would explain in letter to him that they have no inkling of all this, which is true.

I have discussed this with a family member who agrees with my actions and will be executor. I suppose I am just looking for reassurance that I'm not being too horrible.

yggdrasil Sun 25-Feb-18 15:34:36

It sounds like you have done exactly the right thing. It is your wishes that count in your will.
And you don't have to tell him, the only person who needs to know is your executor

Esspee Sun 25-Feb-18 15:45:24

Look on the bright side, you won't be around when he finds out. You do need to tell your children where your will is as I expect your solicitor is holding it for you. No need to tell them the contents.

kittylester Sun 25-Feb-18 15:49:17

I think you are doing the right thing.

Is your house held jointly or joint and severally? I presume the latter.

seacliff Sun 25-Feb-18 16:02:10

I don't know Kitty. We had a joint mortgage which has been repaid. I must dig out the papers.

OldMeg Sun 25-Feb-18 16:07:28

seacliff this is exactly why it’s worthwhile going through a trusted solicitor. They’ve seen it all, heard it all and cover every eventuality.

Nonnie Sun 25-Feb-18 16:15:44

Just one question your half of the balance to be invested to give him an income. Would that mean he could spend it and your family not get as much as you plan for them? Or perhaps he could only get the interest? I think I would want that very carefully worded in the will.

kittylester Sun 25-Feb-18 16:20:17

My understanding is that you can only leave your half of the house if it is specified that it you own a half.

I should have said is your house held as joint tenants or jointly or severally.

kittylester Sun 25-Feb-18 16:42:14

flipping heck 'or jointly and severally'. Joint tenants is also known as 'Tenants in common'. I'm going for a lie down now!!

seacliff Sun 25-Feb-18 16:48:11

All the land registry docs just show both of our names

grannysyb Sun 25-Feb-18 16:55:44

Tenants in common is different to joint tenants. We are tenants in common as we are a second time around couple, so we each own half our property, and in the event of us needing care only our own part of the property can have a charge put against it.

seacliff Sun 25-Feb-18 16:56:59

The will says I give my share of the freehold property situate .....which I hold with my oh as tenants in common, or any other freehold property in which we then reside

I did ask sold if oh needed to be informed now. He said not. It is an old local family firm, with good reputation.

I hope it's all correct.

annsixty Sun 25-Feb-18 17:02:53

I think this another thing to consider as we age, we hold our property as joint tenants, if I die first it will go to OH and as he will need immediate care ,the whole value of the house would go for care.
As he has a diagnosis of Àlzhèimers, we cannot change that.

Bridgeit Sun 25-Feb-18 17:11:13

You sound like a lovely thoughtful & fair lady Seacliff,I think you have done the right thing . Best wishes

kittylester Sun 25-Feb-18 17:12:04

I'm sorry, I seem to have lost the plot this afternoon. I'll leave it to someone who can marshall their thoughts properly.

If my brain is back in gear, I think your solicitor is correct!!

I'll go and cook!!

BlueBelle Sun 25-Feb-18 17:20:53

Sounds a good plan Seacliff and as others have said you won’t be around if he’s annoyed and you have put in it that the children do not know so he can’t say they influenced you sounds perfect

seacliff Sun 25-Feb-18 17:22:24

Nonnie, it IS clear that he can only have the proceeds from investment, not the capital, and trustees have power over capital. Hard to do in reality possibly, but alternative is not allowing him to have any income from house sale, he did increase the value of house a lot by his hard work

seacliff Sun 25-Feb-18 17:23:20

I will just double check with sold about tenants in kind.

Luckygirl Sun 25-Feb-18 18:11:46

I am sure you are right to be doing this now. You can then rest easy that you have made your wishes clear. I hope that all this will not arise for a long time yet!

seacliff Sun 25-Feb-18 18:26:01

Thanks Luckygirl and everyone else for your support, it makes me feel better.

It is a weird feeling to be making a will! Especially as so many people seem to be dying recently who are a similar age to me.

I will do it and then just forget all about it. Although now being more aware of my own mortality I am tempted to blow some on a holiday, with or without OH!!

varian Sun 25-Feb-18 22:31:52

It would be a wise precaution seacliff for you to tell your solicitor, either verbally of in writing that your children know nothing of your plans and have not influenced you to make this decision.

If you said this when you made the will it should be recorded in the attendance notes but if not, make sure your solicitor is told.

Otherwise your OH could accuse your children of coercing you into leaving part of your estate to them, rather than him.

Apricity Sun 25-Feb-18 23:32:06

In the circumstances you describe I think you are doing the right and best thing for your children. You have obtained legal advice regarding what you are entitled to leave to your children. You mentioned leaving a letter to your husband explaining that the children knew nothing about the arrangements. That is a good idea and it will express your views in your own words. I would suggest that you leave that letter with your Will at your solicitors office only to be opened after your death. Verbal messages of your intentions etc can be lost over time as solicitors leave or retire or just the passing of time. You can also be confident the letter cannot be lost or even destroyed by anyone.

Your children's future relationship with their father will be determined by them and you will have ensured that they will receive what you wanted them to receive. Well done for taking carefully thought out and well advised action in a difficult situation.

You are not being "horrible" you are doing what a good mother does - protecting and looking after her children. ?

MesMopTop Sun 25-Feb-18 23:49:06

You’ve been very fair and have made good provision for both your children and your other half. Nobody will be losing out. However, he might pop off first so you might not have to worry about him being upset!

Cabbie21 Sun 25-Feb-18 23:58:24

You have done the same as DH and I have, though for different reasons. Ours is a second marriage and we each have children from our previous marriage, so it ensures all will benefit.
Otherwise, if the first to die leaves all to their spouse, it is all too easy for the children of the first to die to inherit nothing, either because it is all swallowed up in care fees, or just spent, possibly deliberately to deprive them, or because the surviving spouse protects only his/her own heirs.

So it is for many couples a good idea to become tenants in common so the house can be split this way, whilst still allowing the surviving spouse to live there.

seacliff Mon 26-Feb-18 05:01:38

Thanks all of you. I did tell the solicitor that the children know nothing of my plans. I'm sure they don't expect anything. I suggested I write a letter of explanation to oh and leave it stored there with will.

I went there just with idea of leaving a smallish lump sum to each child. It had never crossed my mind to be able to leave part of the house, but solicitor was most insistent when he heard how OH has been.

I feel a bit guilty as OH built that place up with his own efforts literally. He was a better builder than a Dad! He always said it was for us, but it's actually what he wanted. He will be shocked at what I've done behind his back. I think what I'd feel if positions were reversed. I would be shocked too, but would downsize and give DC some money. Oh well, as you say it won't worry me then.

I feel sad that this action is probably necessary.

My sibling and Dh and a very good friend are all aware, and have solicitors details.