Changes to the Highway Code

If I am driving along a road, especially a major road, and the driver in front signals a left turn, especially into a minor one, I don't expect him to stop before turning.

I look forward to cyclists keeping off the pavements, and to pigs flying.

Cyclists will be allowed on pavements if the traffic is extremely heavy.

I always have stopped when turning into a minor road and someone is crossing. That’s not new grumppa. What is new is that you have to stop even if they just look as if they might want to cross.

GrandmaKT

Lincslass did you see my comment re cycle lanes further up-thread? They aren't suitable for all types of cyclists. In addition to putting other cyclists and pedestrians at risk, speed cyclists will not use them as you often have to stop as the cycle lane crosses every side road. If you're a serious cyclist in training or commuting a long distance to work, they often aren't suitable.

Yes I did. Still allowed my comment though. I have seen wide cycling /pedestrian lanes empty, we have such one in my area, yet cyclists persist in using the narrow road, oh yes they might have to stop at a junction on the path, oh dear, cuts down their speed.

No law about helmets is a surprise. Also nothing about those dreaded electric scooters which slalom round me at the rate of knots with no warning. Wheeeeeee.

Whose going to police no bikes on pavements, another of my pet hates?

I would like to see a law that states every bike should have a bell and only sell bikes with a bell.

Lincslass

GrandmaKT

Lincslass did you see my comment re cycle lanes further up-thread? They aren't suitable for all types of cyclists. In addition to putting other cyclists and pedestrians at risk, speed cyclists will not use them as you often have to stop as the cycle lane crosses every side road. If you're a serious cyclist in training or commuting a long distance to work, they often aren't suitable.

Yes I did. Still allowed my comment though. I have seen wide cycling /pedestrian lanes empty, we have such one in my area, yet cyclists persist in using the narrow road, oh yes they might have to stop at a junction on the path, oh dear, cuts down their speed.

There'd soon be uproar if motorists had to stop at every side road!

The people complaining seem to take the attitude that cars have some kind of priority over other human beings! A car is a dangerous weapon, it can go very fast and if it hits you at anything over 20mph, you will be seriously injured or die.

Why do people not see that being in charge of a large, powerful machine should carry responsibilities and that looking after other vulnerable humans not encased in a tank-like shell should be the priority?!

I think you need to cycle yourself before you make judgments about cycling in cycle lanes. Cyclists are now taught how to use the road in a way which keeps them safe and that is often where a motorist can see them. It isn't difficult to cycle at anything up to 20 or even 30mph. There is no reason whatsoever that a cyclist shouldn't take the main lane when the traffic is proceeding at the same speed and at junctions, it is often safer to be in the main part of the road as opposed to being expected to cycle on and off the bits of cycle path that are haphazardly provided by cash-strapped local authorities.

Motorists happily coexist with cyclists and pedestrians all over mainland Europe, notably in Holland where it is a delight to experience a car stopping smoothly and calmly when a pedestrian approaches a road/pedestrian/multi user crossing and then accelerating slowly away having given you enough time to cross.

The changes to the Highway Code are not about saving money on pedestrian and cycle paths, they are about reducing accidents and teaching motorists to SHARE the road, not hog it.

Good post JillyJosie2, Holland is an example off how this country could be if people could just change their attitude, GrandmaKT, your post shows this about attitude and I am afraid you will just have to get use to more cyclists using the roads.

I'm sticking up for the cyclists Barmeyoldbat! I think you addressed your comment to the wrong person?

I carefully read the new rules and was quite surprised as I do all that anyway. My driving instructor 40+ years ago told me 'pedestrians always have right of way,' I assumed because we would rather not injure or kill anyone no matter how stupid they are. Yes I know - motorways may be an exception but I would still try not to mow them down. The other thing I was told was the importance of predictive driving. I am careful of cyclists and horses, slowing down or giving them a wide berth usually. I am always very aware of parents with prams or toddlers on pavements in case they run out (also in recent years, people on mobile phones). To be honest I don't open the door with my opposite hand, but I always look behind before I open it, even as a passenger. Mind you I don't live or drive much in a city. That seems to be a different world. When I learned to drive first we often had to wait patiently for flocks of sheep being moved, or cows crossing over for milking, not to mention tractors and hay balers.

JillyJosie2 I agree the roads are for us all to share.

I’m sure everyone is well aware that the whole point of this is to make life as dammed difficult as possible for motorists.
We’ve already had to put up with empty city centre cycle lanes which cause huge traffic holdups, and now it seems things are about to get worse.

I am horrified at this new legislation. It’s already been mentioned that cyclists are not obliged to use cycle lanes on split pavements but I also read that they are being encouraged to ride in the middle of the road, and also two abreast ?.

This is all going to add to traffic jams and driver frustration.

As I said this is all part of the plan to get us out of our cars.

driver and cyclist here, blooming wonderful changes, all depends where you live and cycle as to how courteous drivers and cyclists are to each other anyway. . It has always been good here apart from the occasional motorist skimming past me on a busy road and today I cycled a little further away from the verge on that road. Three cars still skimmed past but heyho, there will always be selfish gits who think the road belongs to them alone. Loads of cyclists out today, I didn`t see anyone behaving in a selfish manner. Nice that cyclists are, at last feeling empowered

Re road tax, it is actually emission tax and cycles do not have emissions

The new Highway Code says that cyclists should cycle in the middle of a lane when travelling at the same speed of the other traffic or to be visible when turning at a junction. It then goes on to say that cyclists should be aware of the cars behind and move back to the side or stop to allow them to overtake. It is not a mandate to ride for miles in the middle of the road!

As karmalady, I've been out cycling this morning. Lots of cyclists out (taking advantage of the calm between two storms!). I did notice that vehicle drivers were being more considerate and giving the cyclists more room when overtaking. In turn, we always go into single file when on busy roads. Hopefully when these new rules bed in they will be to everyone's advantage.

GrandmaKT

As karmalady, I've been out cycling this morning. Lots of cyclists out (taking advantage of the calm between two storms!). I did notice that vehicle drivers were being more considerate and giving the cyclists more room when overtaking. In turn, we always go into single file when on busy roads. Hopefully when these new rules bed in they will be to everyone's advantage.

I also thought that most drivers were giving me more room today, some also a cheery wave. Not that many cycle in their 8th decade and yes I wear lycra, perfect for cycling

How can the new rules be to everyone's advantage GrandmaKT? I used to live in Cambridge where there were huge numbers of cyclists with little or no road sense. The students were bad enough but on one occasion I hit the wheel of a woman probably in her 60s wheeling her bike across a 60mph stretch of road. She had been standing at a refuge on the pavement intended for cyclists to wait safely until the road was clear and safe to cross. She thought it was the equivalent of a pedestrian crossing, saw me driving along at 60mph and calmly walked out in front of me. A miracle that I only hit her bike, not her. She tried to claim against my insurance but was given short shrift. Many uninsured cyclists have had no training whatsoever in the 'rules of the road' and yet they are now being given priority over those who pay high insurance premiums and excise tax.

I think how cyclists behaves depends on where you live. The nearby town nearby where I used to live, had a pedestrian thoroughfare running through it with clear no cycle signs, there are some cyclist who just ignore all that, not kids either. I actually said to one woman who came up behind me, not riding fast, although some cyclists do, "you aren't supposed to be riding your bike here" I said "I know what I'm doing" she replied and then rode right into us we weren't hurt, because she was slow, it was unintentional the bike was unwieldy and she was incompetent on it, she shouldn't have been riding it in a pedestrian only area, I did say "maybe you'd be better off riding that in the park" she went off muttering. I know most bike riders are considerate and those who are arguing the case for cyclists on this forum will be, but there is a divide.

Some behave like pigs though, think nothing of banging on the bonnet of cars when they catch up with them, covering people with spit. In London they can be unbelievably aggressive, if the pedestrian doesn't get out of their way quickly enough they go ape shout and swear, the people I know who work up in town often moan about them. Pedestrians have been killed by cyclists.

Lycra cyclists hog the roads that run through Richmond Park, 20 mile hour speed limit except for them they do what they like they're extremely intimidating. A friend told me about a woman she knows who made the mistake of overtaking one, he caught up with her when she had stopped in a car park, swore at her then chucked his bike at her windscreen, with her child cowering in the back. Fortunately, a horse rider saw the incident, it was reported, don't know what the outcome was.

Germanshepherdsmum, you are making the mistake of thinking of 'cyclists' and 'motorists' as disparate entities. 83% of cyclists are also motorists in the uk (https://www.cyclinguk.org/statistics). They have therefore had the same training as motorists in the 'rules of the road' and will have passed the same driving test and pay the same insurance. In addition, I and many cyclists also pay cycling insurance.
As for the new rules benefitting everyone, they are to encourage safe and considerate shared use of the roads, not to encourage cyclists, or anyone else, in irresponsible behaviour as you seem to believe!

So what about the irresponsible cyclists who don't have insurance and ignore things like red lights? I was almost mown down by one in the centre of Edinburgh as I was crossing at a pedestrian crossing (while the green man was on) - he cycled right through the red light and missed me by a hair's breadth! What if he'd knocked me down? What claim would I have had against him? It should be mandatory for anyone cycling on the roads to have insurance, just as it is for other road users like drivers and motorcyclists.

GrandmaKT

Lincslass

GrandmaKT

Lincslass did you see my comment re cycle lanes further up-thread? They aren't suitable for all types of cyclists. In addition to putting other cyclists and pedestrians at risk, speed cyclists will not use them as you often have to stop as the cycle lane crosses every side road. If you're a serious cyclist in training or commuting a long distance to work, they often aren't suitable.

Yes I did. Still allowed my comment though. I have seen wide cycling /pedestrian lanes empty, we have such one in my area, yet cyclists persist in using the narrow road, oh yes they might have to stop at a junction on the path, oh dear, cuts down their speed.

There'd soon be uproar if motorists had to stop at every side road!

Many motorists have to do so. Especially now

I think the changes are very sensible, it's all about protecting more vulnerable road users. What's not to like? I wonder how many of those complaining have actually cycled or to mention another group of vulnerable road users, ridden a horse on the highway? Where I live we don't have cycle lanes or pavements, I drive down narrow lanes and the main roads, which are few and far between, are often accident black spots. these new regulations cover all parts of the country, not just the cities! I ride on the lanes local to my home, it is popular with cyclists and people just walking and tbh car drivers can be bloody dangerous to walkers, cyclists and horse riders. fwiw I will often ride two a breast, for my own safety, on narrow lanes I will take up as much space as a car otherwise cars will speed past me almost clipping my horse. I have had car drivers close behind me on a single track lane sounding their horn (horses can't levitate out of the way!) Satnav is a complete pain as it sends drivers onto to narrow country lanes when they have no idea how to drive safely. Please leave a 2m space when passing a horse and please slow down to 10mph, if you are involved in an accident and haven't followed this, you will be liable for damages following an accident.

walkers too, I felt safe today, crossed a side road twice and each time a turning car stopped for me. It seems that many motorists have taken the rules on board

re insurance, any decent cyclist is fully insured, I am.

I realise that some responsible cyclists are insured but I imagine there a lot who aren't. They can do a lot of damage - see Blondiescot's post above. Some act as though they own the road and are very aggressive.

The example of Holland is not a good one since so many roads are wide, straight and flat, where here they are often narrow, bendy and hilly.

Everyone needs to share space better in towns - 20 mph everywhere, no cycling two abreast or on pavements, and IMO no walking about with headphones in.