Trans Nurses

Galaxy

Madgran the I hate women being called vulnerable is used a lot in this debate. Similar in many ways to the they just need to run faster when men are competing in womens sports. The woman in the hospital was vulnerable if we pretend she wasnt then what are we saying. What could she have done to stop a man overpowering her, how could she not have been vulnerable.

Galaxy I agree!

I just don't think that Hithere said or gave the impression that she thinks the poor woman concerned" should have fought harder.

Hithere made a comment about women not being vulnerable. I understand the point she was making but in this context I don't agree with her!

A penis is a living thing. Unlike inanimate objects, it can ejaculate, it can carry disease, it can change state to be soft or hard, it is the physical manifestation of intent of the body it's joined to and, stating the bleedin' obvious here, it is a totally unique object of pentration. It is a foul thing to physically have that living organ with it's stink and flesh shoved inside you against your will. It's a unique assault weapon which commits a unique crime.

well the implications of all this new ideology are far reaching.
have just looked up sisterstay, from another thread.
interesting idea. women over age 50, stay in each other's houses for £36 a night, to have a friendly face and local knowledge when travelling alone.
there is ID verification. but no definition of what exactly a woman is. so an elderly woman, living alone, in a remote pretty location, offers a room, and may find an unusual-bodied female sharing her home. i wouldn't like it.
maybe that's why they ask for photos and chat first.
although i think it's to match interests.
www.sisterstay.com/infos/about

Will this woman's rape be the last?

Sex offenders who were born male but identify as female can be placed on women-only NHS wards, according to guidance issued by hospital trusts.

Hospitals in Devon, Oxford and Nottinghamshire tell their staff that a criminal history should be part of a risk assessment when placing a person who was born male on a female-only ward.
But they do not say it prevents the patients from being admitted.

Some trusts have called opponents of the policies transphobic, likened them to racists in official guidelines and asked staff to report the ‘hate crimes’ to police, the Daily Telegraph reported.
A Department of Health order says hospitals must provide single-sex wards and medics have warned that the guidance could breach their code of conduct by leaving the most vulnerable at risk.

Dr Jane Hamlin, president of the Beaumont Society, a trans support group, said: ‘If anyone starts off with an assumption that a trans person is a sex offender – or even a potential sex offender – that is discrimination and transphobia.’

Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust said the ‘risk of sexual offending in a trans context is very rare’ and that if there is ‘significant risk’ staff would ‘apply the same robust mitigation that we would to a non-trans patient to ensure a safe therapeutic environment’.

The policies have been put in place even though a Department of Health order says hospitals have to provide single-sex wards.
And medical staff have warned that the guidance could be a breach of their code of conduct and leave the most vulnerable at risk.

Yeah..... it'll never happen. Worrying over nothing.....

Well some on here are happy that rape is recorded as a female crime if the rapist decides their penis is the lady variety. Who knows, give it long enough and we'll discover that actually rape by females far outweighs the number of rapes by men.

Well said Chewbacca andMiss Adventure
Talk about believing impossible things before breakfast

No complete waste of time to question the women. She was raped by a man

Except this man was dressed, presented and was accepted as a "woman". Simply because he said he was. And that's all it takes for a sexually predatory man to do. And if we protest, ask questions or show alarm.... we're transphobic, unwilling to accept change and are general all round mean girls and we should BE KIND.

It's like some elaborate game of let's pretend.
A woman has been raped - "I know, just so we don't upset any men, let's question the women"

Sorry I have just seen I am repeating your point Missadventure.

No complete waste of time to question the women. She was raped by a man.

Or, seeing as it was rape, they could have questioned all the men.

GagaJo

OR we could support a change in terminology. Anyone is capable of rape. Then anyone can be considered a threat, regardless of genitalia or the clothes they're wearing.

Would have stopped the shocking response of the hospital in its tracks and everyone on duty on that day could have been questioned by the police.

Completely agree

Excellent post Chewbacca.

Keeper1

Rape with a penis is a specific crime. It is used as a weapon of war against women on the opposing side because it can cause pregnancy. No other crime can cause pregnancy, no other crime is the same as rape.
I am not saying one is not as bad as the other, but rape is different.

Is it rape when a man is well raped or an older women beyond child bearing age?

er.. yes, or do you want to tell older women or men who have been raped that they have not been raped at all? Like the woman in the hospital was told?

From The Telegraph:

Lady Nicholson said that the policy undermines the provision of single-sex wards which were voted on by Parliament and “undermines" protections for women that "took at least 50 years to come through”.

The former MP said that by adding the self-identification clause in the policy on eliminating mixed-sex accommodation: “Parliament has been ignored and bypassed and surreptitiously something far-reaching has been brought in that affects all families, all faiths, all identities and all levels of society. In place of sex-based rights, we are giving priority rights to one special section of society.”

The policy is being reviewed by the NHS but as this newspaper revealed, one of those carrying out that review is a “trans advocate".

Before the consultation on the issue closed, Dr Michael Brady promised campaigners that the “commitment from the team leading on the review is supporting the maintenance/strengthening of trans rights in the update”.

A coalition of women’s rights groups including doctors and nurses have written to the Health Secretary complaining that they were not consulted. Baroness Fox of Buckley said that the review is “not satisfactory” as it has “no public terms of reference” and is being “carried out in secret”.

She said that the fact that Dr Brady is the NHS “LGBT adviser might make him rather the opposite of impartial”.

Referring to The Telegraph article, she added: “I want the Government to take this seriously and recognise that when somebody says that there are no plans to reduce the existing rights of transgender people, what women hear - if I can translate it - is that women-only wards are not guaranteed at all.

Nope. Nothing underhand, nothing being done behind women's backs or in secret here. We women will just accept we've lost nothing, move over, adjust and most of all...... be kind.

Thank you for your kind words.

Sadly the NHS trust were negligent and not interested in listening to my husband, he took the case on, we were not suing but trying to get better security in hospitals.

The head of the trust committed suicide as the case was ongoing, managers had not done their jobs properly and nursing staff were generally indolent.
It was a s***t show.

A nurse who cared for me recognised me some weeks later in a restaurant and blew the whistle, it helped my case and resulted in the hospital having a 24/7 manned Police desk in the building.

Hospitals are not safe for patients or staff, I would not sleep in a hospital without a rape alarm.
The buzzers by the beds are rarely answered quickly.

Keeper1

Rape with a penis is a specific crime. It is used as a weapon of war against women on the opposing side because it can cause pregnancy. No other crime can cause pregnancy, no other crime is the same as rape.
I am not saying one is not as bad as the other, but rape is different.

Is it rape when a man is well raped or an older women beyond child bearing age?

Why wouldn't it be? Do you disagree then?

The metropolitan police seem to think so.

The legal definition of rape is when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis, without the other person's consent

Rape with a penis is a specific crime. It is used as a weapon of war against women on the opposing side because it can cause pregnancy. No other crime can cause pregnancy, no other crime is the same as rape.
I am not saying one is not as bad as the other, but rape is different.

Is it rape when a man is well raped or an older women beyond child bearing age?

This is why Lia is ID’ing as a woman, s/he couldn’t make it as a male

It is maddyone.

And still apparently male bodied. In other words she is a man! Woman don’t have penises. It is absolutely bonkers for complete men to be allowed to compete in women’s events.

Emma Wyant is the woman in 'second' place. The actual winner.

Exactly so GrannyG. Look at the size and obvious strength difference.

The winner in my opinion is standing in the 2nd place position