Trans Nurses

Katie59

I’m wondering wether the hospital or the staff on the ward actually knew that the nurse was “trans”.
On any ward there is often only one qualified nurse on duty helped by a number of Clinical Support staff sometimes with only limited training. It would be easy for a creep to present as a woman, but trans rights obviously comes before patients rights.

It wasn’t a nurse, it was a male patient that carried out the rape.

GagaJo

MissAdventure

It doesn't need to be widened.
It needs to be adhered to, as almost everyone seems to know exactly what rape is.

And yet almost no rapes result in charges or convictions.

Hmmmm

Why is that do you think?

It’s not because the law needs changing. It’s because the men who rape women are being protected by those in Authority, who are mainly men.

The Hospital management should have been protecting the vulnerable women on the wards, but instead were more interested in pretending that a man dressed as a woman can’t possibly be a dangerous sex pest and then when the woman complained, instead of apologising and trying to put things right, they lied and lied and lied again.

I hope the staff involved are sacked, but that’s never going to happen, especially when so many women seem to be defending their actions. It’s bloody shameful!

It seems strange to me. We’re all totally into and supportive of women’s rights until
it comes to trans rights. They appear to trump the rights of normal women for some reason.

Unfortunately GillT57 your last paragraph sums up this sorry situation very succinctly.

GillT57

^In order to protect women, we need to expand our current understanding and laws, in order to take into account a changing society. This is, after all, how societies progress^

So, how do you think it went for the rape victim, the understanding was extended to her rapist, the laws were extended to her rapist, but neither understanding or laws were extended to her.

Yes Gill this is the problem isn’t it!

Yes I agree and understand that GG and it is something of a problem isn’t it? Because this is where it leads to, normal women being attacked. I accept that the vast majority of trans women don’t attack anyone, but that’s not the point really.

GagaJo how exactly will widening the definition of rape, a unique crime, increase the prosecution rate? Sexual assault occasioned by object is a different, equally horrendous crime. It doesn't need to be put in the rape category. Let's keep that as a strictly male crime, since it will always be committed by someone with a penis.

In order to protect women, we need to expand our current understanding and laws, in order to take into account a changing society. This is, after all, how societies progress

So, how do you think it went for the rape victim, the understanding was extended to her rapist, the laws were extended to her rapist, but neither understanding or laws were extended to her.

Incidentally it isn’t an opinion that trans women are not women, it’s a fact. I don’t have a problem with trans women unless they’re in women’s safe spaces without normal women being asked for permission, but let’s not pretend that trans women are actually women, they’re not! They cannot change their chromosomes whatever else they do.

maddyone

Women only safe spaces are a necessity. Trans women are not and never can be women. They are trans women, which is different.

Totally agree, but by stating that a trans woman cannot ever be a woman we are immediately called out as being transphobic when all we are doing is stating a biological physiological fact.

Women only safe spaces are a necessity. Trans women are not and never can be women. They are trans women, which is different.

I agree GG13, the accusations of transphobia are tiresome, as are the arguments about what constitutes rape.

GrannyGravy13

I am fed up to the back teeth of having transphobia thrown in women’s faces whenever they ask for women only places for their safety

It is normally a sign of no valid points to be made

That is your opinion and you of course have a right to express it.

I see it conversely. In order to protect women, we need to expand our current understanding and laws, in order to take into account a changing society. This is, after all, how societies progress.

Just repeating the same old same old doesn't work and neither do thinly veiled insults.

I think the Google definition of rape makes more sense BlueBelle. Thank you for posting it.

Chewbacca

What that poor woman went through is disgraceful. Bad enough that she was raped and violate in the supposed safety of a hospital ward, but she was disbelieved and accused of being a liar, was brought to the edge of a breakdown and was gaslighted that she must have imagined it all. It took the NHS Trust a whole year to admit that it was true, despite the fact that they had checked their cctv and had the evidence right there.

But this couldn't happen could it? A male, with a penis, dressed, presenting, and accepted as a woman, couldn't/wouldn't harm a vulnerable woman would he? So let's allow them in more of our safe spaces. It'll be fine.

Yes, absolutely!

I’m wondering wether the hospital or the staff on the ward actually knew that the nurse was “trans”.
On any ward there is often only one qualified nurse on duty helped by a number of Clinical Support staff sometimes with only limited training. It would be easy for a creep to present as a woman, but trans rights obviously comes before patients rights.

GrannyGravy13

I am fed up to the back teeth of having transphobia thrown in women’s faces whenever they ask for women only places for their safety

It is normally a sign of no valid points to be made

Quite agree

I am fed up to the back teeth of having transphobia thrown in women’s faces whenever they ask for women only places for their safety

It is normally a sign of no valid points to be made

If a man has his genitals intact he is a man however many dresses high heels or lipstick he uses and cannot call himself anything other than a MALE
However hospitals employ male and female nurses so it wouldn’t necessarily have stopped rape happening however it would make a difference to any sentencing and the patient being believed

A Google search gives this dictionary definition of Rape as
“unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim” .

I wonder if the poor female victim also had to fear having an STD or pregnancy to deal with.
Obvs we don't know enough details to even guess at the consequences but to tell the vulnerable person that they imagined a rape is beyond horrific.

GagaJo

GrannyGravy13

GagaJo

Ultimately, the very first thing that needs to be done is an overhaul of the legal system that practically never results in conviction of rapists

No what has to be done is to secure wonen only places.

Stop men with intact genitalia getting access to these spaces.

Well, society isn't going in that direction, is it?

So either the same old argument is gone over and over or something that is actually useful is done.

Because this thread is turning into just another trans-phobic thread, with the same old arguments churned out again.

Gagajo I really don’t understand why you always say in many discussion of these issues that everyone is transphobic, I’m not, I am violence phobic and bigoted phobic

The title of the thread should be changed.
The law should be changed.
The definition of rape should be changed....
Everything should revolve around accommodating male offenders.
Not transwomen, note, male offenders.

This issue includes trans because that is how the poor victim was gaslit.
Trans people are transpeople.
A trans woman is not a woman.

I have no objections to trans people but I do object to lies and cover ups.
Why not just stick to facts and the truth?

Because the arguments are valid.
Women should also be able to say which way society goes, not just men.
Men's feelings are not more important than women's feelings.
That is not transphobia. Accusations of trans phobia are just another way of saying that the feelings of women should not be taken into account. That women should just be quiet.

GrannyGravy13

GagaJo

Ultimately, the very first thing that needs to be done is an overhaul of the legal system that practically never results in conviction of rapists

No what has to be done is to secure wonen only places.

Stop men with intact genitalia getting access to these spaces.

Well, society isn't going in that direction, is it?

So either the same old argument is gone over and over or something that is actually useful is done.

Because this thread is turning into just another trans-phobic thread, with the same old arguments churned out again.

We are, in effect, just opening up more ways for offenders to access women.
We've moved on from questioning what women were wearing, why they were in a particular place, or if they were inebriated,and introduced something much more sinister.