Rayner Will Not Rule Out Abolishing Council Tax Single Occupier Discount

I expect I read it and forgot it.
Too much multi-tasking.

Allira

MayBee70

maddyone

Presumably Maybee, you believe Starmer to be competent.

Presumably you believed Johnson to be competent?

I thought we had Truss and Sunak in between?

If you bothered to read the whole thread the original comment referred back to the pandemic over which, if my memory serves me correctly, was presided over by Johnson.

MayBee70

maddyone

Presumably Maybee, you believe Starmer to be competent.

Presumably you believed Johnson to be competent?

I thought we had Truss and Sunak in between?

maddyone

I really and truly wish that Brexit, Covid, and Ukraine had happened under a Labour government. I would have loved to have seen just how they would have have handled all these situations. Starmer wanted us locked down for longer; I wonder how that would have affected the economy.
To be honest, anyone who thinks it would have been much different either doesn’t understand or is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. Covid in particular, has caused economic problems in virtually every country in the world, but of course, it’s all the fault of the government.

So do I.

MayBee70

maddyone

Presumably Maybee, you believe Starmer to be competent.

Presumably you believed Johnson to be competent?

He doesn’t have a class act to follow, does he 🤷‍♀️

saw not say!

Just look on the Register of interests it makes very interesting reading and cuts out the middle man/media! Our Nige is pretty nifty at getting donations. I love this one:
Estimate of the probable value (or amount of any donation): Flights and accommodation for me and one staffer, value £32,836
Destination of visit: United States
Dates of visit: 17 July 2024 to 19 July 2024
Purpose of visit: To support a friend who was almost killed and to represent Clacton on the world stage.
I'm not sure he actually say Trump but at least Clacton was represented on the world stage! Good one Nigel at least you didn't waste your own money.

Mollygo

^Obviously you have every right to do that, but all the 🤣🤣🤣 and so on are not really conducive to a debate - it feels more like a playground tussle.^

I think that every time I read yet more posts defending LP or Starmer.

Especially when they’re defending actions that Starmer condemned when the Conservatives were going to do it.

Why? I don't use sniggering smileys or ask obviously rhetorical questions. I try to stick to the topic without making personal comments either to posters or about politicians.

I don't necessarily defend KS either - I just believe that he should be given time, and I absolutely don't criticise him for things he may or may not be going to do. I have criticised the way the WFP was handled. Not that it was cut for everyone, but that it was removed from people who are clearly going to struggle without it. We don't know whether the single person discount will be removed yet, so I'm not going to criticise him for that - why would anyone? IF it happens, I will listen to why, and decide then what to think.

Every report says different, apart from all saying starmer has had the most donations and gifts, since before he even became pm.
Adele concert in nne report, the gasses range from one pair to multiple, at a cost of 2000 odd pounds. Which doesn't seem bad to me.
20 football matches comes up frequently, but I couldn't find T Swift.

It's probably my checking, so take it with a pinch of salt.

maddyone

Presumably Maybee, you believe Starmer to be competent.

Presumably you believed Johnson to be competent?

Thanks, Maddy.

I think all pms get gifts and perks, so Starmer is neither the first or the worst.

I'll go and find that guardian article.

Reported in The Guardian MissA.
Sorry, I can’t do links, but a quick google search will bring it up for you. The Telegraph and Daily Mail also reported it too.
The Guardian tells us of the many other freebies Starmer has received, including free Taylor Swift tickets for her London concert, worth £4000 according to The Guardian.
My ten year old granddaughter would love to see Taylor Swift in concert, but she doesn’t have a famous family to get her free tickets!

Where did the info come from that Alli bought Starmer glasses, because I can only find that he gave a donation.

It's a bit odd, choosing glasses for someone else.
I wouldntbuy them for anyone I know.

Obviously you have every right to do that, but all the 🤣🤣🤣 and so on are not really conducive to a debate - it feels more like a playground tussle.

I think that every time I read yet more posts defending LP or Starmer.

Especially when they’re defending actions that Starmer condemned when the Conservatives were going to do it.

Presumably Maybee, you believe Starmer to be competent.

MissAdventure

The pass ran out at the end of August.
It's quite usual, apparently.

Good! And so it should.
No one should receive a pass into number 10 because they give half a million to a political party campaign and buy the party leader designer glasses and expensive new suits!

maddyone

I really and truly wish that Brexit, Covid, and Ukraine had happened under a Labour government. I would have loved to have seen just how they would have have handled all these situations. Starmer wanted us locked down for longer; I wonder how that would have affected the economy.
To be honest, anyone who thinks it would have been much different either doesn’t understand or is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. Covid in particular, has caused economic problems in virtually every country in the world, but of course, it’s all the fault of the government.

At least, if we’d had a Labour government during covid, we probably wouldn’t’ve had a PM that even his own party had to get rid of. It would have been nice to look back to that time knowing we had a competent person leading the country.

The pass ran out at the end of August.
It's quite usual, apparently.

Mollygo

Thank you GrannyGravy13

It’s not sneering, any more than the LP supporter comments are sneering, and I haven’t accused them of that.

I have said many times that I don’t think everything the last government did was right, so I reserve the right to voice my opinion on the current government (and the last Labour government’s actions too, where applicable.)

Obviously you have every right to do that, but all the 🤣🤣🤣 and so on are not really conducive to a debate - it feels more like a playground tussle.

I agree, LizzieDrip. Whatever people think about KS and his policies, I don't think he can realistically be accused of corruption or fiscal irresponsibility.

So is it my imagination, or did Starmer accept a £2400 pair of glasses from a Labour Party donor and a great deal more money for expensive suits to campaign in?
And did I imagine that this very donor was given free reign to enter 10 Downing Street for a while after the election win?
I’m rather hoping that that particular privilege has now been withdrawn now!

I think there are a few things we can be sure of if Covid had happened under a Labour government:

1) there would have been NO parties in Downing St while the rest of the UK population couldn’t sit with dying loved ones

2) millions of £s would NOT have been chucked at the PM’s mates who suddenly set up a company providing PPE, which turned out to be useless

3) the furlough scheme would have been effectively managed so that millions of £s were not squandered and / or claimed fraudulently

4) the NHS would have been in a better state in order to cope with the pandemic

5) the government would have followed the advice of the scientific experts.

God forbid there’s another pandemic in my lifetime … but if there is, I hope a Labour government is running the UK at the time!

Thank you GrannyGravy13

It’s not sneering, any more than the LP supporter comments are sneering, and I haven’t accused them of that.

I have said many times that I don’t think everything the last government did was right, so I reserve the right to voice my opinion on the current government (and the last Labour government’s actions too, where applicable.)

Now we have seen they style of the Labour government it would most likely have been tougher than the Tories during Covid, whether that would have reduced the death rate we will never know but it would have been no picnic.

Ah well, we see it differently then.

I have no issue with opinions, but I definitely see sneering, rather than debate.

Doodledog

Is there really any need for the sneering tone on these threads?

I do not see sneering per se, just posters voicing their opinions on the current Government, and its policy decisions.

After all those who were anti the last Government have done little else other than sneer and snipe at the previous cohort since GN’s inception.