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GeraldineGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 09-Jul-12 15:59:20

An ally of David Cameron's, Nick Boles, is about to make a speech calling for an end to universal benefits for better-off pensioners - bus passes, winter fuel allowance, free prescriptions - and the money to be spent on childcare.

We may go on Newsnight tonight to talk about this. What do you think? Any examples of how these benefits help or what they mean to people?

Anagram Sun 05-Aug-12 18:20:59

Yes indeed, Bags!

Thanks, jeni - I had in fact Googled the wrong word, but at least I can't be accused of Knowitallism! wink

jeni Sun 05-Aug-12 18:22:54

I don't think any of us do that !

Anagram Sun 05-Aug-12 18:27:52

Not regular Gransnetters, jeni - I was thinking more of the occasional provocative poster!

Elegran Sun 05-Aug-12 18:30:34

It has its moments of sanity, Bags, but is currently into textual and stylistic analysis, with particular reference to the vagaries of grammar and parsing in flyting.

The Scottish Chaucerians could do it and still have their syntax and meaning intact. Their versions has lasted 900 years or so, too.

Butternut Sun 05-Aug-12 18:30:35

I still want to know if there is a word that means ............
to elevate and demean all in the same sentence ....or have I gone off the rails completely with this thread? Not that it would matter ....... wink
Does anyone know??

Elegran Sun 05-Aug-12 18:31:54

Have not has - it is infectious.

Anagram Sun 05-Aug-12 18:33:01

I think deserving was being flippant, Butter!
Of course, I could be wrong....(hedging my bets here wink)

Annobel Sun 05-Aug-12 18:37:51

Butter, Pope said it but not in a single word:
To 'damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer.'

Elegran Sun 05-Aug-12 18:42:31

Bathos is almost what you are looking for, butter but not quite.

That is more "She returned home in a towering rage and a number 12 bus"

Bags Sun 05-Aug-12 18:49:37

Things are beginning to make sense to me now, but there are some posts which, on first reading, made me just think "Eh?" or, in Lancs parlance: "Yer wot, luv?"

I will be interested to hear if anyone comes up with that word butty wants. 'Patronise' comes quite close, don't you think? I've never felt that I understood patronise properly though.

Annobel Sun 05-Aug-12 18:51:03

That's because you aren't a patronising kind of person, Bags. smile

Bags Sun 05-Aug-12 18:52:22

You are kind, anno flowers

POGS Sun 05-Aug-12 19:25:16

I am so glad I am thick because I cannot understand one b----y word of what you are all saying.

If I had to try and sort this rubbish out it would take me a length of sundays.

Can someone please in very, very simple terms explain what this all means.

Elegran Sun 05-Aug-12 19:28:15

Which bit, exactly? There is a lot of it.

Elegran Sun 05-Aug-12 19:30:44

*Bags Those could be the posts which everyone would like clarified, but the elaborations just get more labyrinthine.

Annobel Sun 05-Aug-12 19:37:28

Just so, Elegran. wink

Bags Sun 05-Aug-12 19:58:37

Just so, elegran.

Pogs, dinnae fash yersel! Tain't worth all the stooshie and stramash wink

POGS Sun 05-Aug-12 20:01:09

Bags.

I think I will take that advice. If anybody could have told me in simplistic terms I think they would have done so by now.smile.

Ariadne Sun 05-Aug-12 20:16:17

Got it in one, Bags!

jeni Sun 05-Aug-12 20:26:08

Ah, but. If the question could trammel up the consequences and catch with its surcease success?

Anagram Sun 05-Aug-12 20:37:29

Not very likely, though, is it? grin

jeni Sun 05-Aug-12 20:58:31

Oh! I don't know? If you take maxwells demon and oppose with the probability theory of whether the cat is alive or not?
Could this actually answer the big band theory?

jeni Sun 05-Aug-12 20:59:28

Terribly sorry folks. Meant big bang!

jeni Sun 05-Aug-12 21:06:18

And of course it is Schrodingers cat I'm talking about! Does anybody agree with me that these two theories are diametrically opposed? And where do we place the String Theory within this conceptual concept?

Bags Sun 05-Aug-12 21:14:45

I have a theory about string, at least it might be several theories covering that bit you've kept in your knapsack for emergencies which disappears when you finally need it, and the bits that tie themselves in knots.....

but I digress

Just off to check up on that pussycat.