Jimmy Savile

Just read in todays paper that Saville is to be removed from Scarborough"s list of Freemen of the Borough .

Quite right !

His 69-year old nephew, who 'hero-worshipped' him and refused to believe any of the allegations has died 'of a broken heart'.

if someone comes forward to report abuse from over 40 years ago not from a celebrity Whenim (sorry pick on you cos of your background) would it be believed?

I realise this is a general type of question but I do wonder if the Saville case will open a can of worms for lots of families.

Well, there is apparently a politicina/businessman from the Thatcher era also suspected and still to be named.

makes you sick to the stomach , to think of it all

JO5... it seems there is a lot more to 'come out' about the North Wales case.... perhaps the play 'Care' did get it right. I know it was very believable , if shocking, at the time.

I cannot imagine how the politician/businessman manages to fall asleep at night...and when he does...are his dreams nightmares?

I did see in yesterdays Telegraph that despite some sort of restriction, the politicians name is "all over the internet". (I think they referred specifically to Twitter, which I don't use)

I think he's dead now....like so many of them!

Celebgran there are many old men in prison for offences of historical abuse, going back years. Some die in prison. The ones who have abused within the family have got away with it till the next generation starts arriving and the victims realise their own children are at risk. With support from partners, they often feel more confident about telling the authorities. It depends on the details of the abuse, whether a conviction can be obtained. Of course, adults tend to make more articulate witnesses.

Old men in paedophile rings have been prosecuted many years later, if they are still alive. Offenders often decide to name names when they are in prison.

Re: the high profile Thatcher era politican. His name and others have been bandied about with no result for years. Lots of info on the internet if you google 'politician named in North Wales abuse.' His name trended on Twitter at the weekend, so it's no secret. Interesting that so many politicians have been shifted overseas or encouraged to resign because they abused children. Such corruption. I wonder when public schools are going to have the spotlight on them?

Ana this one is very much alive! If the police have any sense, they'll get cracking before he tops himself (sorry to be flippant, but I have met this loathsome creep!)

I know the name. But I daren't put it on here. GN might get sued.

Look on twitter.

OGM, yes, you're right. Who knows what the truth is?

I was obviously thinking of yet another loathsome creep, when! (Think very large...)

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

That last post was apropos of nothing at all.

Yes, you've got that one Ana. He had a less prominent role in the government of the time, whereas this other one was very, very high profile.

Jingle apropos of nothing, our two posts may possibly be linked to Ana's

I've started a new thread......Cards for Justice. It's a long first post, but worth reading. Basically, a campaign to send cards to the BBC and Downing Street. A simple expression of 'people power' that can result in thousands of bulging mail sacks.

Please support the campaign Notso has highlighted. A chance to get many voices heard.

It gets worse and worse - according to the various sites I have found on google, the paedophile ring involved many men at the very top of our parliamentary, judicial, educational and socials sytems, who were protected by senior police officers. Scallywag magazine even reported that some victims had been murdered to stop them speaking out. The details of what happened to the boys (and some girls) are sickening. These people knew no pity - they seemed to regard working-class boys as unworthy of being treated as human beings. The public school system has a lot to answer for.

Is it just me but I'm starting to worry that the world is still pretty much run by men who spend a great deal of their lives just thinking about sex with anyone possible . I'm [obviously] not a man so it's something I'll never understand.

Did anyone hear The Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 today, it was heartbreaking hearing a guy who had phoned in about his abuse in children's homes in Wales in the 70's.

Greatnan sounds like you have found some of the sites I have been looking at. When we did presentations for judges and magistrates, we were stunned to hear some of their opinions. So many had been involved in what they saw as the natural order of things at public and boarding schools i.e. engaging in sexual abuse of new boys, having been initiated themselves. They described how the masters would look in on them in their dorms and ignore crying boys, who were assumed to be homesick. We had a couple of 'tame' judges who really took up the cause, but some resented learning about sexual abuse and commented that we should understand 'that's how men are, my dear.' I fear that the powerful 'elite' who have come through such systems have a vested interest in controlling how investigations are competed and published, and protecting the high profile offenders. It's shocking to see so many familiar names and how evidence is presented to link them to missing children and abuse in children's homes. It does go some way to explain why Savile believed he could threaten victims and be sure of protection at the highest level. There's something very rotten at the core of the Establishment. So troubling.

Oh dear! So depressing and distressing.

The "that's how it is and has always been" argument no longer stands up, after all we no longer send little boys up chimneys, do we?