Jimmy Savile

We need to clear out these types asap! The House of Lords and the Royal Household are, and always have been, full of individuals and groups who believe they are above the law, and will do all they can to sabotage change.

It is a sad old world - these establishment figures who went through public schools have no idea about the world that the rest of us inhabit. They go through these abnormal experiences, then fall into positions of power where they have control over others, but lack awareness of what is "normal."

I have a particular gripe about the masons - my FIL was one and the more I heard the more I was sickened. It is a route for these perverts to pursue their evil ways secure in the knowledge that their "brothers" will keep schtumm. It is full of insecure men trying to boost their egos by a secretive camaraderie.

Mishap you're right. In the 90s, my therapist colleague was followed into the gents toilets of a pub near where he lived, and told by a 'friendly' mason that he might want to produce a favourable report on a sex offender to stop him going back to prison, in return for some 'help' with approving the mortgage he had just applied for. He was terrified, thinking that he was being watched. He had a young son, the same age as the child the sex offender had abducted. The following week, the offender dropped into the conversation that he played golf on the course behind his house. He was so distressed, took sick leave and ended taking early retirement. None of us felt safe to talk to anyone about it, as we didn't know who was leaking information. The offender got arrested for further offences, and the masons may have decided to back off, as we heard no more. Sinister! These things need to be brought out into the open.

Heard on the news this morning that Savile had been questioned by the police at the time of the Ripper murders.

I read that yesterday, Marelli but it was the Mail online so I kept it to myself.

It beggars belief that these things were going on and nobody blew any kind of whistle. The man walked on water.

Exactly whenim - such a creepy story. The masons will continue to thrive because it is people in power who belong. I think the whole setup is utterly pathetic.

My FIL was a very small man and I think his determination to be a mason stemmed from his need to boost his ego in every way he could (terrorizing his children featured as well).

Interestingly he dropped dead whilst giving a speech at a masonic dinner!

OMG!

That's ridiculous!

Didn't get him for paedophilia yet thought he might be a serial murderer! Yeah right.

That was about the Ripper thing btw.

gosh Whenim it makes depressing reading!

I have no knowledge of Masons or Freemasons, so I cannot possible comment, I am aware of the "scratch my back I do yours!" set up that goes on in most walks of life.

It is awful to think of young boys being hurt and upset and boarding schools, even worse to think of the vulnerable girls at that school being used by Saville.

I do know someone who was abused by her brother in law when she was only 12 right up until her late teens when she found strength to stand up to him. Nowadays I think am right in saying he could have been prosecuted?

After so many years no good would come of upsetting family I do not think this pervert is still married to her sister.

Celebgran the good that comes from outing historical abuse many years after is that it deals with an abuser who might not otherwise stop. If young children he has access to are not protected because no-one knows he is a risk, more lives will be ruined.

As has been related on here several times, families do get upset. Personally, I woud rather be upset to hear such a disclosure, than to discover that another child has been abused because I didn't know what he had done previously. It's not an easy call, I know, but children cannot protect themselves. They rely on adults to keep them safe.

You are absolutely right Whenim, is a very difficult area.

This man has 4 grand daughters now so it is a real worry.

Can only hope that it was one off with my friend, and she feels guilty that she could have stopped him!! Why does this always happen? the victim feels is their fault.

As she was only 12 I can imagine it would not have been easy she probably felt flattered to start with.

I do not think she will risk the huge family fall out now.

Thanks Whenim for that information.

The other outcome of revealing historical abuse is that it may give the victims some kind of closure if the abuse has been eating away at them for many years when they have felt unable to talk about it. This is probably the reason why the Savile scandal has opened the floodgates to the North Wales alleged cover-up. The victims can now come forward knowing that they are far from being alone.

Even though the people who weren't listened to as children may now get some sort of 'closure' or at least see some abusers bought to justice, I fear that they will have to re-live their horrendous experiences and they might not all feel any better at the end of it. But, they know they are not alone and we are with them in increasing numbers. Please do all go to the thread that is asking everyone to send cards to the BBC and the Prime Minister in the next few days. We have an opportunity to overwhelm the authorities with the weight of our protests about cover-ups and corruption not being tolerated.

Just bumped that thread back up again when.

So David Cameron has warned us that there is a danger of a witch hunt against people who are gay! Since when did being an alleged paedophile equate with being gay? Since when did abusing boys under the age of 16 equate with consensual sexual activity? And since when did middle-aged men having forceable sex with teenagers and pre-pubescent boys strike any reasonable person as acceptable? I thought he was an idiot, and now it has been confirmed

Since one of those names put forwards is a close friend of the Camerons......allegedly????

I think most people know the names by now - but why is nothing being done?

I hope something is being done Ana. Better the authorities do it quickly before they are faced with vigilantes carrying banners for all to see.

I don't!

when, I echo your post, I was only saying much the same to Mr P when listening to PM on Radio 4 earlier. Gay does NOT equal paedophile!

It's very suspicious.

It's just being is used on Question Time now.

That should say 'being discussed'

FFS!! Such drivel being Spoken on QT. Are we now going to hear some aged politicians bleating 'but he told me he was 18!' Do they think we are stupid? I feel so angry that these 'elite' abusers will try to wriggle out of being convicted by claiming that the law has changed for gay people now, and what they did then wasn't really against the law. They took those young boys out of their care homes and sexually attacked them. It wasn't legal then and it isn't legal now! [furious emoticon]

I thought it was drivel too when. I was as if everyone had been warned off saying anything worthwhile. Drivel, drivel, drivel.

Some of the names are ludicrous.

There may be no truth in much of it.