Ukrainan Crash

Amen to that HollyDaze.

Top article by Ron Liddle in today's Sunday Times re boycotting the 2018 Football World Cup in protest of recent events.

As RL says 'Tyrants love their big international sporting events; these tournaments are a means of legitimising and even normalising vile regimes — as we saw, of course, with the 1936 Olympic Games in Germany'.

Never usually agree with anything that Ron Liddle has to say but in my opinion he has hit spot with this piece.

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/Columns/article1436434.ece

I absolutely agree shabby, but lets face it 'pigs might fly'!!! Fifa stands to make millions with this world cup event and you don't honestly think that a couple of hundred murdered passengers are going to stop that happening! They'll excuse themselves by saying that you can't mix sport and politics. Murdered people don't stand a chance against money!!!!!

This is obviously a total tragedy and should never have happened but it has and all eyes are now on Putin.

It is not just the West, it is not just Europe, it is not just America that should be spoken of as the whole world is watching and the fatalities crossed all boundaries. The UN should be doing more and for once they should 'tell' Russia enough is enough. Putin will take no notice but his stance will weaken him on the world stage and his allies such as China just for once might not back him, as is the norm, hopefully diffusing his power somewhat. The danger there of course he comes out fighting as he has a messiah complex and that is why he has to be dealt with by his allies alongside his perceived enemies. If the likes of China back Russia over this then the stakes are really high and quite frightening .

As for America I would think they and possibly other countries have full knowledge of where the missile was fired from, what missiles were in the area and who fired them. They probably would not disclose their knowledge thus far as they would be admitting using covert surveillance but it would only be stating the bleeding obvious. It would or could however raise the stakes to the detriment of any hope of finding a peaceful solution. I would hazard a guess all the 'backroom chat' will never be known to the likes of us for quite some time to come.

Germany has to be stronger in it's views of this as well. It has tried hard to sit on the fence over Ukraine from the start, to the point it has by now got a splinter in it's bum, it can't keep wriggling. It will be interesting to see how strong Angela Merkel really is.

It will be interesting to see what the Australian Resolution being put forward to the UN tonight will bring forth.

Will Russia dare to veto it? Will China back Russia as usual?

OK the Pro Russian Fighters have put bodies on a train, reportedly to be repatriated by the Dutch but the site of the black bags not even respectfully lined up continues to sum up they have no basic value for human life or the dead. They have just prolonged the view they are afraid of the truth being known by delaying the investigation and ripping the site apart making it an impossibility to get to the truth.

Shame on them.

If anybody is interested it has been passed in the UN.

They MIGHT start to get somewhere at least now.

Desperately sad, the bodies will be in a dreadful state by now.

The bodies, even those intact, would have been in a dreadful state as soon as the catastrophe happened.

That's an obvious statement but the fact the bodies were, for days in some cases, left out in the open, in sweltering heat and then laid on top of other bodies will have created further and uneccessary deterioration for both forensics and the return of a loved one to a family. Totally flies in the face of decency to fellow human beings.

I'm relieved to read the UN has passed the resolution, and hope this makes some difference.
I agree with those who have criticised the way in which the bodies,and their belongings, have been treated. It's inhuman, and says a lot about the people who shot the plane down, and then continued to behave badly.

and says a lot about the people who shot the plane down, and then continued to behave badly.

Quite. It would appear that human life is viewed as incredibly cheap and worthless to some. I wonder how they would have felt had it been their deceased relatives that were treated that way ...