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This is so terribly sad.

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merlotgran Tue 24-Mar-15 17:03:02

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009151/headlines-news-Germanwings-plane-crash-french-alps-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette-Barcelona-Dusseldorf-francois-hollande-Lufthansa-4U9525.html

Sixteen German children, all from the same school, on an exchange visit are among the victims. sad

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Mar-15 10:39:53

Teetime, you don't have to apologise for mentioning God and his mercy. hug

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Mar-15 10:40:45

Oh yes, we did rose!

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Mar-15 10:42:53

Will they ever know? How could they really? They said they were talking normally beforehand. Haven't yet said what they talked about.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Mar-15 10:44:18

I hope it was a heart attack. No blame for anyone.

gillybob Thu 26-Mar-15 10:50:00

Oh yes me too jings But my suspicious mind can't help but wonder.

Also, why have they not released the TWO pilotS names?

grumppa Thu 26-Mar-15 10:51:41

From some reports the door would have to have been locked manually by the pilot in the cockpit to override the access code. If true, that would not be consistent with a heart attack unless he manually locked it (why?) and then had a heart attack.

merlotgran Thu 26-Mar-15 10:52:43

I don't think it could have been a heart attack. The locked door is opened by a code that the crew use. It can be disabled by the pilots (or pilot if one is outside) so that terrorists cannot force a member of cabin crew to let them in. Why would you disable the access code if you need help because you are ill?

granjura Thu 26-Mar-15 10:53:26

Perhaps we should all accept that this may be the end of cheap flights in Europe- as there is currently no requirement for 2 pilots to be in the cockpit at the same time for short-haul.

gillybob Thu 26-Mar-15 10:54:51

I read something similar grumppa confused

merlotgran Thu 26-Mar-15 10:55:26

Ususally when there is a fatal air crash we see details of the pilots - family, career path etc., and praise from their employers. I think Germanwings are keeping things close to their chest because they have had their doubts from first knowledge of the crash.

merlotgran Thu 26-Mar-15 10:57:07

Sorry grumppa. Crossed posts.

gillybob Thu 26-Mar-15 10:58:36

Exactly merlot. I do hope that this does not turn out to be an act of terrorism and that there is another explaination for the horrific events.

Mishap Thu 26-Mar-15 11:01:13

It is hard to let teetime's assertion go unchallenged (sorry Grumppa!) - god is offered millions of opportunities not to allow people to be in pain and apparently chooses not to do so. There is sadly no reason to think that this situation is any diiferent.

There seem to be only two possibilities: the co-pilot had a physical collapse or he was a suicide terrorist.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Mar-15 11:06:52

It is totally unnecessary to pick up on someone's mention of God on a thread such as this one. Have some respect. Both for the thread itself, and for the feelings of others.

Teetime Thu 26-Mar-15 11:12:12

Thank you Jing I have been deeply hurt by these remarks and considered myself to have been bullied just for saying I prayed these poor people didn't have a horrible end.sad

Riverwalk Thu 26-Mar-15 11:14:55

People often mention God on threads about sad events and no-one picks up on that, but I had to challenge the assertion that there would have been no pain because God is merciful.

KatyK Thu 26-Mar-15 11:15:04

Apologies to you Teetime if my remarks re God offended. We are all entitled to our own view.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Mar-15 11:16:31

sad I understood that.

Mishap Thu 26-Mar-15 11:17:57

Sorry you feel deeply hurt teetime - but I guess I also feel pretty hurt by the idea that a deity lets people suffer. Sorry for not being able to not feel that - if you see what I mean. It is not the mention of god, but the assumption that these poor passengers were spared any suffering. If that is your belief then it must be a great comfort - sadly it is not one I am able to share. I too hope that these poor people left this life with the minimum of distress, as I am sure we all do, whatever our beliefs, but it seems very unlikely, and this must be a dreadful burden for their loved ones to carry. My heart goes out to them.

Riverwalk Thu 26-Mar-15 11:19:38

Teetime but you didn't say any such thing about praying they didn't have an awful end,you said there would have been no pain!

Elegran Thu 26-Mar-15 11:20:36

All respect to the poster and to the feelings of others, jings and I hope that Teetime does not feel that she has been unfairly judged on this.

But - I have to say it - mishap is right and the consequences of this event will have been exactly the same as the consequences of any similar event. It was the talk of mercy that took me aback - it was as though the fate was deserved but perhaps could be lightened if God willed it. I know that "mercy" is God-speak for divine intervention but it does sound . . . . "pious"? . . . in this context of horror.

Don't go away, Teetime

grannyactivist Thu 26-Mar-15 11:31:31

If this is an accident then the families and loved ones of those who died will be grief stricken, but won't experience the horror of having their loved ones murdered. It's so hard to bear the knowledge that a life was deliberately ended and I feel for every one of those people who will possibly have to live with this. sad

Tegan Thu 26-Mar-15 11:41:23

There's no point in committing an act of terrorism if you don't tell the world that you've done so therby letting them know what your grievance is?

Teetime Thu 26-Mar-15 11:45:27

Having read my post I now see that I left out 'I' - have faith so that's my fault and I can now see how I may have been misunderstood- it was not meant to tell anyone else to 'have faith' I am no evangelist. Still I expect none of you ever make mistakes in your postings do you so that's all right then?

granjura Thu 26-Mar-15 11:52:57

Just confirmed that the co-pilot acted deliberately and caused the crash.