Cameron - a "shrewd & malevolent psychopath"?

So what does 'studious belief' mean, I ask again?

I like the picture of Cameron telling all his business mates that they have to pay their workers more so he doesn't have to pay so much in benefits.
Do you think he'll end up a socialist in the future?

I don't have a 'studious belief' in the government - what on earth does that mean anyway?

And you are habitually sarcastic. Perhaps you don't even realise it...

It's not sarcasm. Your studious belief in the government is also tedious. The difference is that socialists knew we were being conned by the Tories. It's those who believed in Cameron, Osborne and friends that I feel truly sorry for.

Your sarcasm is getting very tedious, durhamjen.

It's all a sham.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/22/david-cameron-claim-12bn-saved-troubled-families-plan-pure-fiction

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/22/poor-families-hit-unfairly-welfare-cuts-institute-economic-affairs

He's still being malevolent. He will not tell people where they are making cuts because he does not really know.
He is being manipulative, trying to sound people out, to see who will go along with him.
He was voted in on false promises.

You seem to know a lot about the shadow cabinet. Just a shame that you are wrong. A few of them were brought up in council housing. Lots went to state schools.
One even had parents who could not work from when she was ten years old because of her father's illness.
The father of the Scottish Labour MP was a cooper - not very well paid, I wouldn't have thought.
I could provide links, but I'm sure you can find out for yourself if you want to.

Yes, I understand your position whitewave, although to be fair, this is the 'Cameron - a shrewd & malevolent psychopath' thread.

ana it has nothing to do with party and everything to do with total lack of fairness in my book. I am not interested in which party would do what, that to me, is totally immaterial - what is being done to those least able to defend themselves like the children - who have seen from the start of this wretched government their lives being undermined by cuts from benefits, sure start centres, etc and which will, after the next budget bring even more pressure to bear on them, is nothing short of scandalous. I wouldn't care which government was in power I would feel the same.

And Labour did admit before the election that they'd have to target the welfare budget if they formed the next government. I could find links, but I'm sure you'll take my word for it!

I'm not trying to validate anything, just pointing out that no one in the shadow cabinet has ever wanted for anything (apart from a new leader!).

How do you know that ana? But even if a Labour Government hit the poorest in society as this Tory Government is preparing to do, I am not sure that validates the argument for hitting the poorest, and thus ensuring even greater child poverty than ever.

The same could be said of a Labour government of course, if they'd won the election - and let's not pretend they wouldn't have made cuts to benefits as well.

Whatever will happen at the budget, or perhaps later in the autumn, they are softening us up for something related to tax credits and it won't be good news for those poor with children that is certain. You can already hear it in the rhetoric - "merry-go-round of benefit" "hardworking tax payers" And the biggest joke, those paying tax on minimum wages - how much would that be then compared to what they get in tax credit?

This is the narrative that they hope will convince the public that making the poor suffer is for the greater good. So we must all listen and learn over the next few months from the mouth of those who have never wanted for anything. Clearly to have so much they must have worked hard indeed

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/22/man-who-cannot-walk-or-talk-called-for-jobcentre-interview

Malevolent Tories again.

My point is that it was irresponsible to state that child tax credit 'is to be abolished' as though it were a fact.

The petition is to let Osborne know that we do not want child tax credits to be abolished. It's a bit pointless waiting until Osborne announces it's going to be done before complaining about it.

trisher that was an alarmist statement.

The petition doesn't say child tax credit 'is to be abolished', and we don't know what, if any, cuts will be made to it yet.

Signed.

Here's another worrying thing. Tories want to water down Freedom of Information enquiries.

www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/06/22/gove-offensive-reveals-behind-the-scenes-tory-freedom-of-inf

Just because Cameron lost out to the Guardian over some letters.

Well they are punishing the poor again. Child tax credit which keeps many families on low pay afloat is to be abolished.
Petition about it here

secure.38degrees.org.uk/child-tax-credit

Apparently, nowadays 'they' can accurate measure the number on a demo by mobile phone activity.

The authorities for some reason, always lower the count.

I remember all the marches that I have been on in the past (CND, Vietnam etc) the count always seemed to be on the low side.

On the news they said that the police no longer counted demonstrators, but the organisers said 250,000. Wow! It certainly looked a lot.

Thanks dj .Good to read. I'll go with 150 thousand these counts are always on the cautious side.