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Cameron - a "shrewd & malevolent psychopath"?

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FarNorth Mon 08-Jun-15 20:27:17

Not that I am suggesting such a thing, but here is a thought-provoking article from the Guardian :
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/01/david-cameron-moriarty-downing-street-radical-thatcher

(For those who don't like links, the title of this thread gives a good clue, so you can just go from there. smile)

durhamjen Mon 08-Jun-15 22:45:50

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/08/david-cameron-eu-referendum-brexit

The main one.

FarNorth Mon 08-Jun-15 22:45:46

Here's what the Financial Times had to say today :

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a00d0610-0df7-11e5-8ce9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3cVd7hO56

Cameron U-turn on Europe hints at political blunder

David Cameron called it a media “misinterpretation” but the UK prime minister’s apparent attempt to impose cabinet discipline bore the hallmarks of a political miscalculation.

Ana Mon 08-Jun-15 22:42:15

Cameron was the one who offered a referendum to the whole of the electorate. That's why he was voted in again.

Do you really believe that was the only reason people voted tory, durhamjen? I don't.

durhamjen Mon 08-Jun-15 22:38:51

Switch on to 130 now. They are discussing tomorrow's papers now.

FarNorth Mon 08-Jun-15 22:38:03

So you're saying a good number of Tory MPs are not right-minded, jingl?

durhamjen Mon 08-Jun-15 22:37:17

That's the whole point of a referendum, though, jingl. Every single vote counts.
Cameron was the one who offered a referendum to the whole of the electorate. That's why he was voted in again.
It's his fault that this is happening. You reap what you sow.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 08-Jun-15 22:28:37

This shouldn't be about party politics. It's about the future of the UK. Every right minded person knows we should stay in.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 08-Jun-15 22:27:10

He was talking about all of 'em. And I don't blame him. Too important for any messing about.

durhamjen Mon 08-Jun-15 22:26:29

Good heavens, a thread on party lines. Shouldn't you take your own advice, Ana?

durhamjen Mon 08-Jun-15 22:24:35

He was talking about the front bench, not the back bench, jingl. He knows he's got 50 backbenchers lined up against him, because they want out anyway. They can hold him to ransom right up until the referendum, as he only has a majority of twelve, so he'd better not upset too many of them.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 08-Jun-15 22:23:08

You are talking junk durhamjen. I doubt if even he expects that codswallop to be taken seriously. grin

Ana Mon 08-Jun-15 22:23:04

Oh, what a ridiculous thing to say, durhamjen! grin
(remember, they're tracking your every word...)

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 08-Jun-15 22:21:48

The press made exactly what they wanted to make of it.

Ana Mon 08-Jun-15 22:21:30

It is indeed that Frankie Boyle, merlot, although he seems to have grown a big, bushy beard as an attempt to disguise himself!

durhamjen Mon 08-Jun-15 22:21:08

Yes, it is, but the other links are not by him. I do not like him swearing but he does not do that in the article. His first job was in a mental hospital, so maybe he can recognise a psychopath when he meets one.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 08-Jun-15 22:21:08

He never actually said anyone would have to resign. Just that he expected his party to stay solid behind him. It'S too important to let the backbenchers squabble about it. Or for idiots like David Davies to try to hog the limelight momentarily.

merlotgran Mon 08-Jun-15 22:14:53

Is this Frankie Boyle the not very funny comedian or am I thinking of another Frankie Boyle.

durhamjen Mon 08-Jun-15 22:08:08

It just happens to be every bit of the media that got it wrong, then, jingl?
I do not think so.
He should not get things like that wrong. His only other job was in PR.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 08-Jun-15 21:55:29

Oh this is total rubbish. Cameron simply wants to get the best deal he can for Britain from the EU, and then get a referendum result in favour of staying in. He has taken a helluva gamble by saying there will be a referendum, and now he is probably, slightly panicking. Who can blame him?

This is the popular press at it's best/worst. hmm

FarNorth Mon 08-Jun-15 21:54:47

Ana, if you'd like to give reasonableness a go, I'll have a go at countenancing it.

annodomini Mon 08-Jun-15 21:50:15

Never mind Jilly Cooper, jessM, what we need is a Trollope (NOT Joanna) for this century.

soontobe Mon 08-Jun-15 21:38:48

You might be right Ana smile

soontobe Mon 08-Jun-15 21:37:37

Having now read the link though. hmm.

Ana Mon 08-Jun-15 21:36:45

This is probably a thread best left to the tory-bashers, soontobe, any attempt at reasonableness will not be countenanced! grin

soontobe Mon 08-Jun-15 21:33:19

Apparently he is not a very good strategist, which is the conclusion I was coming to. I dont think that he is wily.