Just how arrogant are the anti-EU Conservatives?

The only other one I can think of is Iceland -

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2015/06/16/comment-tories-might-pull-their-hair-out-but-they-re-not-goi

According to this, Cameron is not going to get what he wants from the EU anyway.
I am not sure what happened in parliament today. Labour had an ideal opportunity to beat the government and decided to abstain, or "We have been abstained" as a spokesperson put it. That seems ridiculous to me.
Surely Labour should take any opportunity to go against the government on the EU vote.

Why is it arrogant to be an anti eu conservative, yet ok to be an anti british SNP.

There's a question?!!!!!!!!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/16/labour-eu-referendum-strategy-cameron

I think the points made in this article make more sense than just saying 'Labour should take any opportunity to go against the government on the EU vote'.

Perhaps Labour abstained because there are more important things for our country than playing silly buggers involving party politics DJen?

nigglenellie I think I will start a new thread with this question.

Why is it arrogant to be an anti eu conservative, yet ok to be an anti british SNP.

If you read my OP magpie123 I did not say it was arrogant to be an anti-EU Conservative. What I was objecting to was the rather bigoted choice of name "Conservatives for Britain" as if those who are pro being part of Europe could not be "for Britain".

It seems to me to be along much the same lines as the growing "Daily Mail" style of morality which seems to say "I know I am right therefore my beliefs are not only the truth but moral and accordingly your views are immoral and wrong.

Yes, but it would be nice to have a chance to get rid of the government in its first 100 days. A vote of confidence would probably be lost now.

Why would it be 'nice'? Talk about flogging a dead horse...

Just thought I'd be polite rather than say what I really think.

Meanwhile, the only realistic alternative party can't even come up with a credible leader...

If I was a member still I would vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
In fact if he got elected I might even join again.

I'm sure you would, but I suspect he's a bit too left-wing for many.

I say again that it is possible to be SNP and pro Scotland without being anti British.

Watching Questiontime, and Alex, SNP, is the most sensible one on the panel, particularly about Europe.

Yes and also his stand on refugees. The mistake he made was saying we all sympathise with their plight and would wish to help whenever possible.
Maybe we should point him to some posts on GN which show that is not the case.

Maybe he should have said all right thinking people.

How could anyone in their right mind vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

Strangely it's not only some GN who don't sympathise with the plight of refugees. Hungary proposes to build a 110 mile barrier along it's border with Serbia to stop desperate migrants trying to enter. They also have a controversial banner campaign "Don't Take Hungarian Jobs" I'm wondering if that is at all legal given the debacle over the Gordon Brown comment "British Jobs for British Workers" In the meantime magnanimous Poland, who appear to assume movement of people only goes one way, have also stated that they don't want to take any of the boat people, one of the spurious grounds for this is "cultural sensibilities" seemingly they and the rest of Eastern Europe are stuck in some 1950s time warp as far as race is concerned and as Petra pointed out on another post a large part of Eastern Europe has been totally incapable of assimilating it's Roma community who migrated there about 1000 years ago.

The European ideal of a cohesive "one people" sharing a common European identity and purpose is tosh, many EU countries and areas revert to a protective nationalism if they feel they are put in a situation that will affect them negatively.

DJ hope you're taking heed of that last post.
If only you'd taken a real interest in politics, become involved and really thought about your political attitudes and loyalties then you too would be able to offer concise and valuable comments like that!!!!

My post referred to magpie's succinct contribution!

Trying to make out you hold the moral high-ground again I see magpie123 . Could you just try to be a little less intolerant towards other people's beliefs. There will be quite a sizable cohort within the Labour Party who agree with Jeremy Corbyn and I would imagine they are at least as much "in their right mind" as you are.

If say, Jeremy Corby got elected, and if as others say, he is left wing, and so would be difficult to get Labour back in power, does that matter?

Jeremy Corbyn. Sorry.