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Just how arrogant are the anti-EU Conservatives?

(143 Posts)
Gracesgran Sun 14-Jun-15 09:51:28

Conservatives for Britain - that's what the group of MPs are calling themselves. They may as well have called themselves the "We are the only ones who are right" party. I am sure that all Conservatives, indeed all politicians basically want the best for Britain they just disagree on the way to get it.

Conservatives for Britain seems to me rather like the BNP taking ownership of the union flag as if they are the only ones who really support Britain. It also reminds me of those Ukippers (on other forums) talking about coming out of the EU and saying such things as "every sane person would agree" or anyone who wants the best for the UK would agree" as if they have been told by God that this is what we need to do. Such arrogance makes me so angry and I don't get angry often angry

soontobe Fri 19-Jun-15 20:24:58

I wouldnt spend more time googling counter arguments either. I can think of hundreds of things I would rather do.

loopylou Fri 19-Jun-15 20:32:24

Precisely soon grin

durhamjen Fri 19-Jun-15 20:45:30

So instead you just congratulate each other on agreeing with each other. That doesn't sound very exciting either.

soontobe Fri 19-Jun-15 20:50:54

The congratulating each other bit takes all of 5 minutes! grin

soontobe Fri 19-Jun-15 20:53:25

I do all sorts of other things with my life. As you do I hope. But if not, that is your choice.

durhamjen Fri 19-Jun-15 21:23:10

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/06/19/we-are-all-victims-of-cameron-s-complacency-on-terrorism

Hard to know which thread to put this on. This one will do.
Hope you read it all, soon, but I'm sure you will not.

durhamjen Fri 19-Jun-15 21:25:35

Soon, I spend three full days and two half days homeschooling my grandson. I am sure you think I probably should not, with my political views, but there you are.
I find it quite stimulating as he questions everything.

Ana Fri 19-Jun-15 21:53:16

I'm sure soontobe must know about your home schooling by now durhamjen, we hear enough about it.

It was probably the rest of the time she was wondering about. It must take a lot of dedication to politics to come up with an anti-government link for every occasion.

soontobe Fri 19-Jun-15 21:59:19

I think it is lovely that you home school your grandson, durhamjen. I dont mind what your political views are while you do so.

No, I dont click open more than three a month of your links.

durhamjen Fri 19-Jun-15 22:01:22

It does not sound like she knew, Ana.

"I do all sorts of other things with my life. As you do I hope. But if not, that is your choice."

Ana Fri 19-Jun-15 22:03:39

Well, she does now! smile

soontobe Fri 19-Jun-15 22:04:21

I forgot. As I will probably do again.

FarNorth Fri 19-Jun-15 22:53:26

To simplify:
Let's say a majority of members of a political party have views of type A and there are 2 candidates for leadership of the party, one with views of type A and one with views of type B.
At present, it looks like type B views are more popular in the general population.

So if the party members choose the type B leader, they have a better chance of winning an election, but they will have to back views and policies that they do not wholeheartedly support.

If the party members choose the type A leader, it will seem they have less chance of winning the election but they will have more conviction and enthusiasm for the type A policies and that could help them to sway voters in their favour.

durhamjen Fri 19-Jun-15 23:00:21

I do read a lot of political websites, Ana, but not to give a link on here. I'm interested anyway. Then I put a link on if I think it fits.
My grandson reads the newspaper as well, as part of his education.
I also read a lot of environmental information, and give links to that. I am on lots of websites to do with health and education.
I see nothing wrong with being interested in all these things and many more. As I am on my own most evenings I possibly spent too much time on the internet, but I'd rather read about politics than knitting.
When it comes to the referendum, I hope I will know exactly why I want to stay in the EU and be able to articulate it intelligently.
I certainly will not be a little Englander.

durhamjen Sat 20-Jun-15 11:35:47

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/you-may-disagree-with-him-but-jeremy-corbyn-has-a-key-role-in-labour-race-10325796.html

durhamjen Thu 25-Jun-15 00:06:10

I wonder what Conservatives for Britain are going to say about the Queen wanting the UK to stay in the EU.
Puts them in a bit of a quandary, I would think.

Joan Thu 25-Jun-15 01:23:52

Ha ha. They will wriggle on the hook, just like our (Australian) conservative and strong catholic PM, who is a climate change sceptic, but believes in the Pope.

durhamjen Fri 26-Jun-15 00:08:16

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33278440

Cameron has given up. About time.

FarNorth Fri 26-Jun-15 17:35:03

Reading the article, it doesn't sound all that much as though he has given up, only that he has accepted there will be no changes "ahead of a referendum".

However,
"Mr Cameron has instead argued for "irreversible" and "legally binding" guarantees that EU law will be changed at some point in the future".

I guess he's heard about broken promises after a recent referendum.

durhamjen Fri 26-Jun-15 17:37:54

Sorry, what I meant was that he's given up trying to pretend that he can get changes made before the referendum.
Once that's been held, it will not matter anyway.

Ana Fri 26-Jun-15 17:42:12

Exactly, FarNorth. Really, the pronouncements made by some posters would be more suited to a tabloid headline!

nigglynellie Fri 26-Jun-15 19:05:23

I wouldn't dream of joining in this political conversation as my views are not conducive with the general trend on here, but I am curious about one thing, why is it ok, to reveal one's political beliefs on the left wing of politics with pride, which is fine, but to admit to supporting a candidate on the equivalent right with the same pride (well, you just wouldn't do it would you?!)would be considered by some as on a par with a criminal offense?!! I just wondered!!

durhamjen Fri 26-Jun-15 19:11:43

You can write what you want about anyone you support, nellie. But I think the headline should give you a clue about what to expect. If you want to praise a right wing politician you could always start your own thread.

Ana, I thought you liked tabloid headlines.

Ana Fri 26-Jun-15 19:14:37

Why would you think that, durhamjen?

What a ridiculous thing to say.

nigglynellie Fri 26-Jun-15 19:22:44

As you say I do know what to expect and for that reason I would steer well clear of any political discussion on here. I wonder how many other people feel the same.