Terror attacks in France and Tunisia/now

I never have a problem with anyone disagreeing with my views on topics

"I never have a problem with anyone disagreeing with my views on topics"

May I ask Anniebach if that's true why do you use the term 'Little Englanders' to those who don't agree with you.

The term Little Englander is used when one party wishes to try and shut down debate/discussion or considers the other to be 'boorish', 'ignorant' 'xenophobic'.

Now I am not denying you might say "And your point is", at least that would be honest but it only implies that you have no respect for other posters so where does that leave reasoned debate.

While making demands about how "moderate" Muslims should behave in the light of this attack, no one should overlook the actions of the Bellevue Hotel staff, the builder who hurled tiles from an overlooking roof and the young men who laid flowers and messages on the beach after the event.

To be fair there have been posts saying this already.

I think they have been widely praised by those involved in the attack, the press and t.v coverage, even Parliament.

They have been very brave and deserve all the recognition they have been given.

I must add unlike the crass idiots who took 'selfies' at the scene.

What on earth posses the likes of the proposed candidate in the last General Election to be seen taking a selfie? Such people have a screw loose.

POGS, , little englander does not mean the same to you as it does to me, I assume you are English ? I am not. No way do I think of you as boorish or ignorant . I think I said your opinion that we gave them a home was that of a little englander . I have looked up little englander and find there are several definitions . So I did not use the term against you as a person but the - we gave them a home , I did also say there are British born who have converted to the faith, I do think it unfair to speak of all Muslims as if they were clones not individual people, makes them sound like a small pox epidemic , all identical and all a danger to the rest of the human race. I am not saying this is your view of Muslims but I think Muslims must feel this way . When a far right fundamentalist murders we read he was a far right extremist,never is the persons faith mentioned, the man who shot those poor people in a church in America was described a racist, a white supremacist, no faith mentioned, not so when the murderer is of the Muslim faith, he is a Muslim terrorist . This must be so distressing for peace loving Muslims

Good grief,people took selfies ? I didn't know of this, how sick

So sad to see the coffins coming home.

Yes, the bravery and humanity of the people of Sousse has been acknowledged already. And I'm surprised to read that people have allegedly 'demanded' that 'moderate' Muslins should act in a certain way. Are there really 'demands' in this thread, I must have missed that.

Anniebach

Actually I haven't mentioned 'housing' and you didn't call me a Little Englander.

I was making a point re the term Little Englander which is is inevitably used in a derogatory fashion to belittle another/other people.

It is like calling all Welshmen 'Sheep Sha---rs', another derogatory term which is used by those of a certain ilk/character to insult others. I could go on but I think everybody get's the picture.

So sorry POGS , my mistake and I will repeat little englander has several meanings ,

Anniebach

It's all about how, when, where and why it is used, in other words the context behind writing or saying it I suppose.

Yes POGS it is , and I have said several times it does not mean to mewhat it does to you. I doubt anyone could say the term sheep sh. could mean anything other than sexual intercourse with sheep but there are expressions which have different meanings in different parts of the country

Late to this as I was out all yesterday. eloethan said: "Sharia plays no part in the British legal process". I'm not sure that is correct. I think it does play some part in the British legal process since it still affects British people in Britain in certain ways. I am not sure of the details but will try to find out more.

30th 21.16. I posted I thought it was too thatbags.

My mind was thinking of the male/female inheritance line for a start. I think it's called Mirath or something like it?

I believe Sharia is used in the Uk to help settle family disputes. Muslim women's groups (amongst others) have expressed concern about its use in family breakups. It leaves women in a vulnerable position in relation to property and domestic abuse. It's a pity we don't seem to have any Muslim gransnet members as our discussions seem inevitably to fall into accusations that some posters are overly sympathetic or others overly critical.

As Lam says, I think the Sharia courts, much like the Jewish Batei Din, are used to settle civil matters between people of the same religion.
Sharia Law is roughly based on orthodox Jewish law, from the 1st 5 books of the OT. With some changes due to Mohammed's interpretation.

Iam, how could any Muslim feel comfortable here?

AB many of my Muslim friends do feel comfortable here. They are indistinguishable from other Asians because they wear modern clothes, so they could be any religion from Sikh to Hindu to none. They have good jobs or businesses and integrate into our community. I know this is not true if all Muslims but you did say 'any'.

One does make me smile though as she will wear the hijab to important meetings in the afternoon if she's been out running in her lunch hour and her hair is a mess

* When a far right fundamentalist murders we read he was a far right extremist,never is the persons faith mentioned, the man who shot those poor people in a church in America was described a racist, a white supremacist, no faith mentioned, not so when the murderer is of the Muslim faith, he is a Muslim terrorist . This must be so distressing for peace loving Muslims*

[I will leave out the bit about the use of the word fundamentalist there].

There is a difference between the shooter in America, and the terrorist in Tunisia.
In that the American boy was not acting to do with religion as far as I know.

I thought that many Muslims feel comfortable here too. They would leave otherwise, wouldnt they?

S2B when a terrorists is filmed shouting 'Allah Akbar' one is entitled to assume the killing is being carried out in the name of Allah and religion.

Killing of black people by a white supremists is nothing to do with their religion only the colour of their skin.

Is that the point you are trying to make?

Agreed.

Comfortable on this forum not comfortable in this country

I don't agree AB simply because the same conversations and points raised on here DO get discussed between friends etc.

I don't see that there is anything posted that is offensive or racially abusive, (not your words AB but words that could describe why a muslim GN could feel uncomfortable to join in) .

I will give an example of how different views can cause issues that are not intended to be offensive.

I joined a friends family for Diwali. The grandad said loudly "What's that white woman doing here". The room went sent silent thinking I would be offended. I just laughed and said something like "Your beautiful granddaughter invited me to share Diwali with you sir". He replied "She is beautiful isn't, have you tried Yasmin's samosas". We all laughed and you could feel the tension drop like a stone.

It's all about context as I keep trying to point out. Another person could have felt offended, considered it a racially motivated remark, I simply saw it as a question and the description was correct I am a white woman.

Would I be impolite to ask, do you live in a high ethnic /immigration area and do you have ethnic friends. Please feel free to say you are not comfortable with my question it could be a step too far.