Concern within the Labour Party that Jeremy Corbyn is doing well

I don't think anyone has answered thatbags...the answer to your question about gagging the SNP members is that as soon as Parliament reconvenes the Tories are set to make sure the SNP will not be able to vote on English legislation though no one is quite sure how such a division can be made and in fact, the matter seems to be going the same way as the foxhunting debacle:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/09/english-votes-english-laws-plan-revised-conservatives-dup

No apology needed AB , just a misunderstanding.

somebody has to, Gillybob.

Sorry I meant rosesarered not Ana

Humour? on this thread roses ? Now you really are joking !

Then if humor I apologise Ana, I think the people of Scotland have been treated so badly since the referendum and by no one more than their own Prime Minister

It was humour, AB ( on my part) as I fail to see how they could be 'gagged' in any case.

Should those elected by the people of Scotland be gagged ? To want this is to want to gag the people of Scotland who are British citizens

I said it thatbags, my name is Anniebach . Quite simple, to use any nationality as an instrument of fear is racism ,

Listened to Yvette Cooper on the lunchtime phone in, she is much more leader material than any of the others IMO, and probably the one that the Conservatives hope will not get in.

My concern is that the SNP can't be gagged enough!

Tories take the vote from the SNP? How? I know the SNP isn't as left wing as they'd like us to believe but I don't think they are as right wing as Tories. Could you explain what you mean a bit more, please?

Them!!!!!

Take the vote from tnem

Also, how will the Tories gag the SNP? Genuine question because I think they need a certain amount of 'gagging', by which I mean that I would like to see some of their policies gagged.

Just catching up... er... whoever said that the SNP SNP SNP SNP stuff before the election was racist, what on earth do you mean?

The Tories will gag the SNPs, alter the boundaries vastly in their favour and appose JC with all their might. Coming close to a one party state.

Interesting, FarNorth.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results

Hete is a link to the election results, showing that even if Labour had won all 59 seats in Scotland, Tories would still have had the majority.

The result would then have been:
Tories 331 Labour 291 Everyone else 28

Whitewave, I wish I could like or recommend your post or something because I find it such a relief, agree with every word you've written. The Labour Party has just become a watered down version of the Tories, there is no real opposition party anymore and come the autumn when the Tories gag the SNP MPs, opposition will be further silenced.

The Green Party might appear to 'live in cloud cuckoo land' but perhaps the surge of support for them in the last election represented the frustration of those who were looking for a voice that didn't avoid the responsibility of the corporate and banking sectors for some of our economic woes, that looked to a society where some kind of mutual support and caring might happen as opposed to vilifying anyone who was disadvantaged or disabled and that offered integrity and caring about our environment to boot (though the latter is not the point here).

The cheap attacks that are being made on Jeremy Corbyn are typical. As to the fact that Rupert Murdoch has now apparently come out in support! Well... probably a bad omen. www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/20/rupert-murdoch-backs-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership

Finally, rather than bandying about statistics as to which party has the lowest/highest percentage of votes in various elections, isn't the bigger point that we simply don't live in a democracy? It seems bizarre to me that people are comfortable with living under any government voted in by a tiny proportion of the population. The standard response is that it gives us a stable government and I suppose in history and over time, people living under various fascist, communist and similar regimes were happy enough if it didn't affect them personally but it looks like others want something more thoughtful and perhaps more genuinely accountable. I have an idea that Jeremy Corbyn might well have been all too surprised at being pushed to the front by a groundswell of disaffected voters and so becoming PM was not top of his list. He probably won't get there but perhaps his election as party leader might bring about much needed change.

Here's an excellent article about Corbyn's ideas on the economy.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/08/20/robert-skidelsky-on-the-merits-of-peoples-quantitative-easing/

True whitewave, I said yesterday it was the power in the shadows and this will be a battle between the people and the city

Corbyn cannot be bought so we can expect not digging for dirt with shovels but with JCB's . He has brought a new fear into politics, the fear of a true democracy

B.....y tablet
You would imagine the political classes would be delighted, not a bit of it. The political and media establishment has linked arms to resist it. The idea that someone outside the "cosy" boundaries of political acceptability is unthinkable. Attempts to close down the contest - exposes itself as a closed system whose rules are set by the powers rather than the voter.
The real objection is that JC represents a break with City backed austerity.
The denunciation will become ever more poisonous. It is possible that the coming relentless attacks will tip the vote against JC. But if not it will be even worse after, coming from the Tories, media and Labour establishment.
But JC will have unprecedented mandate being backed by hundreds of thousands of voters.. Offering a chance. To break from the disastrous austerity regime and real democracy."

I have cut the article down as is obvious but the general thrust is captured I think.

Exactly DJen - as I wrote on the previous page, the Scottish Labour vote. Plus, how can those be regained?

Quote from article I read this morning
"The democratic explosion we are experiencing at the moment is unprecedented in British politics, and comes as a response that the candidate JC.
After years of handwringing about the decline of political participation