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'Scotland will just have to take more'

There's democracy in action dj style!

Scotland will just have to take more, as it's only 40 there.

But that's what population is all about, Elegran, us taking responsibility for the growth ourselves rather than blaming others. We are not overcrowded because of immigration.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html

And more recently from the dreaded Daily Mail.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in-Europe.html

This is England though, not the UK.

It is too late to get us to change it now. At that time it was not the issue it is now, so let's not get into the hackneyed "it is all the fault of the baby-boomers" blame game.

That's what it is now, Elegran. What was it when we were having our children? Note I said children and grandchildren.
If it was more than two, then our generation overpopulated the country.

Where did you get your information from, Maggie?
In 2014 we were well behind Belgium and the Netherlands. Can't find anything more uptodate than that.

An average of 1.92 per family? That doesn't quite replace their parents.

That's because we have too many children and grandchildren,Maggie, not because there are too many migrants.

It is worrying though that England is now the most densely populated area of the EU, with more people per square kilometre than the Netherlands, which held that dubious honour for many years. Is this what we want for our grandchildren?

Even bankrupt Greece appears to be doing better that the Calais debacle. The Calais 'drama' is 'easy' journalism and sells the news many people seem to want to hear because it reinforces their thinking.

Far more people are leaving war torn/poverty struck areas to go to other places than are trying to get to UK.

Still say if the richer/Western nations could do more in the places where some emigres come from to make life there better so leaving is less 'essential'

Except for the UK which wants to take zero.
Other than that, I think you are right Stansgran that the situation is being unnecessarily aggravated by those who should be sorting it out.

I think the French police are not giving two hoots about the "swarming " immigrants. If they had any sense wanting to get rid of the problem they would set up centres to process people and not antagonise truck drivers or holiday makers or Daily Mail readers. Take your pick. I feel I could manage it all a lot better. Ask the questions which country do you really want to get to,what are your skills and how would the country benefit from your arrival and where are all these relatives who would support you and why haven't they sent you the plane or ferry fare. The proportion of people taken into a country is relative to it's population and spare jobs surely.

Your posts are always so grumpy-seeming, dj. There is nothing wrong with my post. It's just saying that I wish there was more media attention paid to the good that is being done with regard to migrant camp dwellers. That is all.

I mentioned that you'd mentioned vandalism. What is there to criticise about that? You did mention vandalism. So you might have mentioed something else as well. So what? I wasn't criticising your post. Grouchy or what?

Strange, thatbags, that you only mentioned the thuggishness in my last post and not the Italian prime minister who is setting up the shelters for the migrants, even though he knows it might cost him his job.
Is that not good news?
Do you only look for the bad?

This is a Full Fact article about a DM article.

fullfact.org/live/2015/aug/calais_migrants_seven_ten_enter_uk-46920

Many more people will read the DM article rather than the Full Fact article, and believe it, even on here.

Should refugees have a free choice of safe countries to go to? Just a thought...

What would you suggest they do, Stansgran. I think the French police are behaving/acting very well under such pressure.

Haven't read the whole thread,life being too short, but has no one else felt that the French are doing an appalling job and are being totally inhumane? I speak as aFrancophile. There is a film by a French journalist Daniel Mollard about the journey taken. I think it should be shown in the relevant countries.

At last something positive is happening. It's been announced that EU border guards will go into the camps in Calais to process the migrants.

Every PM from whatever party has to think of the country, making borders safe and controlling immigration.
I should think that a great deal of politicians had privileged upbringings, including those from the Labour Party.This does not mean they cannot be good PM's nor does it mean they will be better ones.
So many people in Britain are complaining ( in some cases rightly so) that their area is strained to breaking point in the issue of low paid jobs, waiting times for hospitals, GP's and dentists etc with the people we already have here, that turning a blind eye to whoever chooses to illegally come here is just not on.DC is the PM and so far, all he has done wrong( in the eyes of a very few) is to use the word swarm.He is not evil incarnate.

Why do we think it's because DC has a privileged background that he pursues policies likely to make life worse for the poorest? It's unreasonable to suppose that politicians inevitably ally themselves with people like them or from their own class. Look at all the parties; there is a remarkable similarity among the backgrounds of the main players. People choose which policies to support and it isn't because they don't realise what the effects will be.

Not the issue rose we are where we are and DC is the PM.

We will never know what the great Ed Miliband would have done, will we?
I suspect much the same as DC.

If people loose jobs petra that is the fault of the useless government not those people seeking a better life than the horrors they have left. Of course it serves the government's purpose to paint them as the problem hence, the offensive use (notice that I say offensive use not the use of an offensive word) of the word "swarm" to set in our minds a frightening scenario.

I feel extremely sorry for those people on "You and Yours" but what has the government done? Has it taken the lead and offered to send people to the countries of entry to process those who want to come to the UK. Those wanting to come are far, far lower in number from those wanting to go elsewhere. DC could have been a leader in setting up a system and working with other countries on this but no, this Little Englander had to stand like Canute pretending he can hold back the tide. The message from Canute was that he knew he could not hold back the tide and needed to show this to his court - a leader. The message from Cameron is that he thinks he can fool people but will end up showing himself to be the fool.

the EU is going to have to come up with a plan for the whole of Europe.