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Is it offensive to tell a woman that she looks nice?

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vampirequeen Thu 10-Sept-15 07:53:14

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3228221/Men-job-offers-propositions-says-female-barrister-centre-LinkedIn-sexism-scandal-describes-professional-networking-site-white-collar-Tinder.html

Did this man do something wrong?

Elegran Fri 11-Sept-15 21:52:39

The photography is rather more "stunning" than the real woman, as in the other pictures. Perhaps he was praising that, and perhaps he was being sarcastic. If so, that'll larn 'im.

Elegran Fri 11-Sept-15 21:54:21

. . as she appears in the other pictures . .

And yes, I agree that it is over-enhanced.

Gracesgran Fri 11-Sept-15 22:13:54

I am lost for words at your vitriol towards a women who is obviously both capable and successful professionally, on a site that is a business site.

This article contains the original photo - it is the photo that was used. You can click on it to enlarge it and see her hair looks like hair - neatly cut, she even has a line or two for all that it matters and she is looking at the photographer. You will now doubt go on tearing her apart as it must give you some satisfaction to do so but I will not be part of it.

I frequently find mankind's inhumanity to his fellow disappointing but I cannot remember being so disappointed by the misogyny of my fellow women.

Ana Fri 11-Sept-15 22:18:43

It's the same photo that janea put up.

Deedaa Fri 11-Sept-15 22:19:37

I can't help feeling there's a difference between someone commenting on a photo being stunning and commenting on the actual woman. I've seen photo's of male friends and said "Wow that's a great picture" without there being any suggestion that I think they were more than normally attractive themselves.

janeainsworth Fri 11-Sept-15 22:28:28

Gg who has expressed vitriol? Who has been 'tearing her apart'?
I have expressed no opinion of Charlotte Proudman as a person. I'm not that interested in her, to be honest.
I thought we had been discussing her wisdom in using that particular image on her LinkedIn Profile and whether she was right to go public with her complaints.
We were discussing issues, not being vitriolic or tearing her apart.

janeainsworth Fri 11-Sept-15 22:31:23

And is all criticism of a woman necessarily misogyny?
If I said a woman doctor had behaved unprofessionally, would that be misogyny too?

Gracesgran Fri 11-Sept-15 23:26:33

Vitriol was perhaps too strong jane but I still find the personal comments about how she looks in the photo that some have made disappointing in this day and age.

Criticism of a women isn't necessarily misogyny in my opinion but some of what has been said certainly is.

If you want my opinion - you may not - if you said a woman doctor had behaved unprofessionally and it was true it's just a fact. If you decided to make comments about how she looks in the photo of practice doctors in the waiting room it may be, particularly if you are using it as a tool to decide whether or not she is professional or unprofessional.

FarNorth Fri 11-Sept-15 23:49:32

From the article linked to by Gracesgran:
Laura Bates, founder of the Everyday Sexism project, said an amazing number of women from the legal profession had contacted her since the story broke "to say just how much they face and experience, and how difficult it can be to speak out about more minor things".

Eloethan Sat 12-Sept-15 00:40:46

I too am amazed at some of the really nasty comments that have made about this woman.

I cannot imagine a woman writing such a message to another woman unless they were friends. It certainly wouldn't even occur to me to do so - would it to any of you? And again I ask - would this man have written a similar message to another man - and how might it be construed if a young woman barrister wrote a similar message to a much older senior partner in a well known city law firm?

I think this message was probably the last straw for her - she did say something along the lines that unashamed sexism and arrogance were fairly common features of the legal profession. Having worked in several large legal offices in central London, I tend to agree with her - particularly in the more "corporate" firms (though that is not to say that all male solicitors behaved in such a way - some were very pleasant and courteous). Apparently she has already been informed by a number of solicitors' offices that they will not be instructing her in the future.

thatbags Sat 12-Sept-15 06:22:29

The photo in the Guardian article that gg says is the "original" is a good photo. Proudman (who made up that name, apparently; why a name containing 'man' one wonders? and, no, that itsn't a misogynist comment) looks paler in other photographs and the reposting of the "original" must have messed with the processing.

It's a stunning photograph picture, which is what Carter-Silk said. I too have wondered if he was being sarcastic.

The main point I'm left with is the one that is, to me, the most important one: I think she should have challenged him privately, at least initially. If his response to a private challenge had been outrageous she might have had a case for the social media lynching she set in motion. Please note the word might.

I think she had and has every right to challenge him on what he said. I don't think she had a right to make it public at the point at which she did make it public.

thatbags Sat 12-Sept-15 06:37:09

As it is, the social media lynching she set in motion appears to have backfired a bit. Which is another reason not to use mob rule??you can throw actual justice out the window with mob rule.

thatbags Sat 12-Sept-15 06:38:52

Those two question marks should have been a long dash. HQ, please sort out the ridiculousness!

SineDie Sat 12-Sept-15 07:18:29

medium.com/@martinbelam/a-four-hour-window-into-the-storm-of-abuse-feminazi-lawyer-charlotte-proudman-faces-on-twitter-b654f5fa36ce

soontobe Sat 12-Sept-15 08:08:22

She is a user of social media, so must have known how social media is.
She misjudged going public in the first place, and she misjudged public reaction, both to her and the situation.

If she is now not going to be instructed by solicitors' offices, I can sort of understand it because they would not want someone who misjudges both herself and situations.

If she is going to fight sexism in the industry, in my opinion, she needs to handle it in a bit of a more private way, and different ways. Though she is young, so has time to learn that.

If you want my opinion - you may not - if you said a woman doctor had behaved unprofessionally and it was true it's just a fact. If you decided to make comments about how she looks in the photo of practice doctors in the waiting room it may be, particularly if you are using it as a tool to decide whether or not she is professional or unprofessional

If a doctor has a less than professional picture in their waiting room, I would consider that unprofessional.

SineDie Sat 12-Sept-15 09:50:12

What a daft post STB.

Going public? It was on LinkedIn. That's where you put your CV. It's about WORK not dating.

Her photo was of her. Do you really think a woman has to look like something the cat dragged in to be professional?

soontobe Sat 12-Sept-15 09:55:20

I meant going public by tweeting about it.

There is this about her now
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229951/Ooh-la-la-hot-stuff-s-prim-barrister-centre-sexism-storm-said-men-ogled-web.html

soop Sat 12-Sept-15 12:22:08

Hi, jings It's good to see that you are as feisty as ever. smile I rather like the kitchen. I can slob relax and keep myself entertained without too much argy-bargy to fret about. wink

I am giving you a preview of my watercolour of a much-loved, now deceased family pet that has kept me super busy and out of trouble.

Sorry to intrude and all that...blush

thatbags Sat 12-Sept-15 12:40:08

Your interruptions are always welcome, soop. I love the painting!

It seems I was misinformed previously and that Proudman is in fact one of Charlotte's family names from a couple of generations ago on the maternal side. Apparently she changed her surname after her father left his estate to charity.

Gwoof Sat 12-Sept-15 12:52:54

Hear hear!

soop Sat 12-Sept-15 13:13:08

bags (hug)

rosesarered Sat 12-Sept-15 13:26:08

Soop...... What a stunning picture! grin

soop Sat 12-Sept-15 13:34:11

smile

rosesarered Sat 12-Sept-15 13:54:15

It's very lifelike Soop, well done.

rosequartz Sat 12-Sept-15 18:50:17

That's a wonderful portrait of what looks like a lovely dog!

Am I allowed to say that it is 'stunning'?

I did have a photo taken with DD when we were on holiday recently; we fell about laughing when we saw it - it has obviously been photo-shopped, soft lensed and whatever else they do. I look about 40 with smooth skin! Of course, I had to buy it, but it is now buried in a pile of holiday brochures etc!

Perhaps I should re-join Linked-in and use it as my profile picture grin