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Is it offensive to tell a woman that she looks nice?

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vampirequeen Thu 10-Sept-15 07:53:14

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3228221/Men-job-offers-propositions-says-female-barrister-centre-LinkedIn-sexism-scandal-describes-professional-networking-site-white-collar-Tinder.html

Did this man do something wrong?

thatbags Sat 12-Sept-15 20:15:04

He has offered an apology for saying what she found offensive. Apparently she's refusing to accept the apology. That suggests she thinks his transgression was diabolical at least.

thatbags Sat 12-Sept-15 20:16:58

Oh dear! This is me getting used to the mobile site and making a pig's ear. Please ignore .

soontobe Sat 12-Sept-15 20:20:20

No thatbags. It says that she is a person that sometimes at least doesnt accept apologies.

rosequartz Sat 12-Sept-15 20:22:01

Refusing to accept his apology with grace is a very silly move imo; she needs to move on and so does he.
This won't do her future career much good if she cannot be magnanimous.

Alea Sat 12-Sept-15 20:52:48

A bit late in the day, but may I say Soop: 'You definitely win the prize for the best LinkedIn collie dog picture I have ever seen'.

Elrel Sat 12-Sept-15 23:04:52

It can be so easy to just apologise. To me 'sorry' implies 'I do not intend to do that again.' Much harder to keep to the implicit intention in the future ...

Ana Sat 12-Sept-15 23:13:33

Eh? What do you expect him to do then, Elred?

FarNorth Sun 13-Sept-15 05:07:27

As Ms Proudman said, he didn't apologise for what he said, only for her feeling upset.
I'd expect him to carry on making inappropriate remarks and getting away with it.

NfkDumpling Sun 13-Sept-15 06:28:09

If he apologised for saying she looked good, would she then have said he was implying she was ugly? I think she was out to pick a fight.

I wouldn't employ either of them.

thatbags Sun 13-Sept-15 07:55:09

I wouldn't call a public naming and shaming "getting away with it".

It's interesting that she can distinguish subtle differences in meaning when she wants to, wanting him to say sorry for what he said rather than because she felt offended.

I wouldn't employ either of them either. With you there, nfk.

Elegran Sun 13-Sept-15 08:48:01

Did she get the job, by the way? Not that such a detail wouild have any bearing on the case, of course.

Eloethan Sun 13-Sept-15 09:30:11

What job?

Elegran Sun 13-Sept-15 09:41:30

Sorry, I thought she was applying for a job with the offending bloke. To be frank, I've not been reading all the details.

I agree with the above posters that I would not employ either of them. Not much hope for peace in the workplace.

janeainsworth Sun 13-Sept-15 10:22:15

Elegran LinkedIn is just a site where you post your professional qualifications and interests.
You can then ask people to 'connect' with you. This is what Charlotte did with respect to Alex. The people you have connected with then hopefully 'endorse' you for a particular skill, such as public speaking, management, healthcare or whatever your field is.
Then if you're being head hunted the head hunters can look at your LinkedIn profile and see what your qualifications and experience are and how many people, and perhaps more importantly who, has endorsed you.

Elegran Sun 13-Sept-15 10:30:55

Right. Not a site I have had occasion to use. A kind of self-advertising CV-showing agency. So she displayed what she thought was a CV, and he replied with what she thought was a come-on.

I still think that the photograph was a touch "glamorous" for a CV. That doesn't mean that it is fodder for admiring replies on its attractiveness, without reference to her professional life.

rosequartz Sun 13-Sept-15 10:34:49

Never, ever respond to anyone who asks you to join LinkedIn, unless, of course, you are still in the market place for jobs.

Once you respond to someone your inbox is filled daily with requests to communicate with people you have never heard of and have no wish to connect with!!
It is then quite difficult to delete.
LinkedIn requests seem to go out to everyone on someone's contact list!

Elegran Sun 13-Sept-15 10:48:58

Much like Skype in that, then. I get a lot of contact requests from US colonels. There doesn't seem to be anything lower than that in the US army.

Could be my own fault for having the year of my birth in my username. They take it as being my age, which in reality is more than twice my birth year. No photograph, though - perhaps I should include one, that would keep them away.

Eloethan Sun 13-Sept-15 11:23:40

I don't understand why the photograph is described as "glamorous". It is of the head and neck only. She has a fairly plain hairstyle, no obvious make up and a high-collared black jacket. She is an attractive woman but I don't think she can be blamed for that.

Gracesgran Sun 13-Sept-15 11:31:48

It can be so easy to just apologise. To me 'sorry' implies 'I do not intend to do that again.' Much harder to keep to the implicit intention in the future ...

I am not sure it was an apology at all Elrel. From what I have read it was the sort of thing an HR department might tell you to say which admits nothing as in "I apologise for the offence you have taken". I can't find the exact one but Charlotte has commented on this on several occasions.

Gracesgran Sun 13-Sept-15 11:38:23

Oh Eloethan, I thought I was the only one. I can't see this "glamorous" bit either. It just looks like a studio photo to me - it's not as if she is pole dancing shock .

My DIL has her photo on their business website and she is generally thought of as stunning. I don't think she has ever received a comment on it. It looks like a business photo of someone who happens to be stunning. She was born that way.

Gemmag Sun 13-Sept-15 12:12:09

What about this woman's objectivity! To be a good Lawyer you have to be objective. For her sake I sincerely hope that when she's finished her PHD studies she'll find work outside the law as very few solicitors will want to brief her.
I can't help wondering why she went to such lengths to have such a professional photograph taken, and quite a provocative one too!. Does anyone really believe that she didn't want to be noticed and then to take offence when someone did notice and complement her!. What kind of woman deliberately humiliates a man in such a public way just because he tells her she looks beautiful. She needs to grow up.

ninathenana Sun 13-Sept-15 16:31:04

quiet a provocative one too confused

Sorry I don't agree. It's a head shot, with nothing to see apart from her face !

FarNorth Sun 13-Sept-15 19:30:25

Suppose you went for a job interview. As soon as you shake hands with the senior partner of the firm, who will be interviewing you, he says "Wow, this is wildly politically incorrect to say, but you have the most stunning looks of anyone I have ever interviewed".
How would you feel and react?

If, as rosequartz says, people on LinkedIn get swamped with requests to connect, maybe Alex became a bit flippant in his attitude to those people. He was very silly, all the same.

rosequartz Sun 13-Sept-15 19:34:54

"Wow, this is wildly politically incorrect to say, but you have the most stunning looks of anyone I have ever interviewed".
How would you feel and react?
Chance would be a fine thing - I would ask him if he had been to Specsavers lately grin ninathenana

NfkDumpling Sun 13-Sept-15 22:19:06

I responded Rose! I got a request from a friend and opened the link. But I've never given any of my details (wouldn't anyway as I've no qualifications to speak of). Now I can't delete it. It's quite good for nosey people like me though!