White Poppy

That's the problem with doing long thoughtful ones, Iam. On the other hand if you do them like jingl, a thread will reach a thousand while nobody is looking.

Thanks Iam64. You are not the first to say this "I often feel totally bewildered" in relationship to son's posts I mean. I had stopped answering soon as I couldn't decide why and what she meant but I do think it is important to defend peoples right to stand up for their own principles whether or not you agree with them.

I suppose "rosequartz" that I should not call people who like to dictate what is acceptable and what is not "little dictators" but I did point out that this could be their way of "just saying and standing up for what they believe in". To be honest I really don't see why soon has become the self-elected critic of the way we write.

So far she has asked some of us or me directly if we; support Isis, agree with the Nazis; are communists and now what colour poppy I wear. Some of which is insulting and none of which is her business. I refer to people who obviously feel they have a right to tell people what to do as "little dictators" and we get these nasty insinuations of "I know what you are doing". As has been said that is more then I can say when it come to soon herself - I have no idea.

Peace and love.

It is still 21st September.

I would be willing to wear a white poppy on another appropriate day, but I always wear a red poppy in November in memory of my Great Uncle and all the people who were killed in World War 1 and also my Dad's friends who were killed in World War 2. My Dad was nearly lost a few times during his service in the Navy. My Great Uncle stood on a landmine while on clearing-up operations in France. He is buried in France. My Grannie helped her sister by looking after her children - my Grannie had three children and her sister had three children - while my Great Auntie started to run a shop to try to make ends meet. I also have a red poppy in a pot in the front garden for the same reason.

As far as I know and can remember, I have not asked whether anyone is a communist or not. I have certainly asked the other 3.

People can imply certain things online, which when questioned, can turn out not to be quite so near the truth as they look.

You appear to be calling me and others liars soontobe.

Spin is not the same as lies. As far as I know. Is it?
I dont think I have said or even thought, that anyone else is spinning.

So no, I am not calling anyone a liar. I dont think that anyone is lying.

Here is an article about spinning
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/19/can-spin-help-jeremy-corbyn-debate
They are not lying as far as I know.

Fat chance for world peace when even a Gransnet thread about artificial poppies provokes such resentment, insult and annoyance.

Something that is "not so near the truth" is a lie soon and I object to the fact that you are implying that I am either "spinning" as you like to see it or lying, which is what you have said - even if it is an apparently spun - as you would put it - "not so near the truth".

I am not interested in articles on spinning although you may wish to resemble a child's top - I have no idea; as I have said I rarely understand you. I say what I believe how I see it or I will question something I don't know or haven't formed an opinion on. None of that is lying.

The reason Corbyn is now the leader of the Labour Party is because he does not do spin. That's why lots of people voted for him.

He doesnt do spin yet. I suspect he will. We shall see however. Lovely if he doesnt.

I dont see "not so near the truth" as meaning lying. But if you take it like that, then I am sorry that that meant that to you, as I did not mean to imply that you were lying.

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Are you spinning, soon? You definitely seem to be in a spin about Corbyn. I'd just give up if I were you.

soontobe What did you mean to imply?

If spin means anything it means trying to put the most favourable interpretation on a person, object or action, typically on behalf on a client. What it should never mean is telling a downright lie, since lies are always found out.

An example: an estate agent abuses a client's trust by stealing from an apartment he is supposed to be selling to fund a drug habit. The owner of the estate agency is asked "Don't you have proper vetting procedures for your employees?" The spin doctor advises him to say "All the procedures in the world can't prevent this sort of isolated incident."

The statement is self-evidently true, but evades the question whether any procedures were in place at all, and gives the journalist a usable quote.

Slightly grubby, but not downright dishonest; that's life. To expect more from politics is like spitting in the wind.

Lies are not always found out grumppa .

As for the accusation made and being discussed, if something is - not so near the truth , where is it? the same as being or not being a little bit pregnant ?

I believe that eventually lies are always found out, Anniebach. It would certainly be stupid of any self-respecting spin doctor (and I have been one) to assume otherwise.

I am no longer sure what accusation is being made and discussed (hence my generalisation), but I am not convinced that being a little bit pregnant is a useful analogy, any more than the mother's excuse in Captain Marryat's Mr. Midshipman Easy that her illegitimate baby was a very little one. There may be shades of truth in some circumstances, but there are also absolute truths and downright lies.

So where do you put Cameron saying that he knew about Ashcroft's Non-dom status for only a month before the election, and Ashcroft saying he knew about it the year before?

grumppa, there are not shades of truth, there is truth, lies and white lies?

Ashcroft or Cameron lied , as for other allegations ! Bacon does seem to be a favourite with politicians

I think it's a generational matter- white ones weren't around in the immediate post-war period.

white ones weren't around in the immediate post-war period

I presume you mean poppies, friends123
However:
www.ppu.org.uk/learn/early/poppy3_early_years.html

White lies certainly were, I am sure DM used to tell me them

Anniebach's right. Whatever the truth, this story reflects badly on both of them.

Grumppa I wonder what this new style of apology is called. Soon seems to have studied under the same school as the recent rather sleazy Barrister in using the word sorry to apologise on my behalf rather than her own for the way "that that meant that to you".