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White Poppy

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FarNorth Wed 16-Sept-15 10:11:12

Here is an extract from an article on reasons for wearing a white poppy :

"Many of us instead wear a white poppy, the symbol of peace. We do so not because we feel the suffering of those who died or were bereaved any less, everyone agrees that we should commemorate the sacrifice.

But we fear that in remembering the First World War, too many people in government and the military are using the compassion that people feel to justify present and future wars."

stopwar.org.uk/news/why-i-will-wear-a-white-poppy-to-honour-the-dead-on-remembrance-day

Anniebach Sun 04-Oct-15 21:44:04

Many catholic nuns and Christian brothers did bring a lot of peace and goodness . Just as there are good and bad in all faiths and all walks of life . Are all mothers bad because some mothers have abused and or murdered their children ?

durhamjen Sun 04-Oct-15 21:55:07

So had you noticed, bags, that the white poppy said peace in the middle?

rosesarered Sun 04-Oct-15 22:09:25

The world would be a lot happier if nuns and monks and the whole malarkey had never existed.The bit of good work done by some of them is wiped out by the immense amount of bad.
Shall we give white poppies and what they say in the middle a rest?

thatbags Sun 04-Oct-15 22:12:20

Why are you interrogating me, dj? Your "obviously" post wasn't addressed only to (or at) only me, was it?

thatbags Sun 04-Oct-15 22:13:31

Sorry, roses. Consider poppies now at rest as far as I'm concerned. And goodnight all moon

Lilygran Sun 04-Oct-15 22:17:23

No, I wouldn't buy or wear a white poppy. The sale of poppies goes towards supporting ex-service people and the display of poppies reminds us of their sacrifices and of the pity and horror of war. The white poppy is gesture politics.

durhamjen Sun 04-Oct-15 22:22:38

The white poppy is for peace, Lilygran. How is that gesture politics? Do we not all want peace?

We could do with a few more politicians wanting peace.

durhamjen Sun 04-Oct-15 22:25:55

No, bags, my obviously post was not just addressed to you. However, you did rather make a meal of your responses to my statement.

Did you notice that the white poppy said peace in the middle?
That is all I am asking. Not difficult; yes or no will suffice.

Ana Sun 04-Oct-15 22:29:25

Isn't it obvious that's what the white poppy stands for?

What is the point in banging on about what's in the middle - does it have to be spelled out for people or something?

durhamjen Sun 04-Oct-15 22:39:40

Had you noticed, Ana?

rosesarered Sun 04-Oct-15 22:43:18

Nobody has ever noticed Djen because we are not interested in looking and will never be interested in looking.Let it drop!

durhamjen Sun 04-Oct-15 22:56:57

Well, it's a bit sad that "nobody" had noticed. I had, and I assume FarNorth had, and others who wear it.
Just a shame that others did not, and are not interested.
This thread is about the white poppy, by the way.
I quite like the idea of the white poppy being for peace, like the white dove.
I appreciate the idea that there are lots of people who do not want war and are prepared to stand up and say so.
Cameron has now said he is sending more drones, to kill more people in Syria. That will help, won't it, to bring about peace?

stopwar.org.uk/index.php/events/stop-the-war-events-national/06-oct-manchester-public-meeting-don-t-bomb-syria-stop-the-spread-of-war

Ana Sun 04-Oct-15 22:59:53

I quite like the idea of the white poppy being for peace, like the white dove.

I thought that was the whole point of it being white, durhamjen - had you only just thought of that? confused

Which is why I wondered what the point of having 'peace' stuck in the middle was...

rosesarered Sun 04-Oct-15 23:05:14

In case anyone wondered what the hell the white poppy was for, when we already have a perfectly good red one?
who DOES want war? I have never met anyone who relishes the idea of it,
It's always a last resort.

rosesarered Sun 04-Oct-15 23:08:43

Wear a red one, wear a white one, don't wear one at all. But realise that it is not just the people wearing white poppies who want peace, it's just about everyone who wants peace.

durhamjen Sun 04-Oct-15 23:12:43

I presume you read the rest of my post?
Cameron is sending more drones in. That is not the action of someone who wants peace.
They do not want peace because they sell weapons.

When most people see red, they do not automatically think peace.

durhamjen Sun 04-Oct-15 23:14:13

Further military escalation in Syria will only lead to more deaths and destruction. More deaths of innocent civilians will create more resentment potentially leading to more terrorism. The results too can be catastrophic for the whole region. As former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan put it, "Syria is not Libya, it will not implode, it will explode beyond it's borders."

Elegran Sun 04-Oct-15 23:21:31

When I see a red poppy, I think of the shed blood of those defending, and of new growth springing from the disturbed earth of a war zone giving a chance of starting again.

White is the colour of a white dove, but in many countries it is the colour of death. No colour, no life. Nothingness.

All symbols hold their meaning from what they reference in the mind of the viewer.

durhamjen Sun 04-Oct-15 23:29:31

But red blood spilled means war, not peace. We are talking about this country, Elegran. White means peace here.

Elegran Sun 04-Oct-15 23:33:48

And the red poppy means that we remember that war spills blood.

rosequartz Sun 04-Oct-15 23:34:27

Red and white together symbolizes death, doesn't it?

I heard that on a tv programme, was it Ladette to Lady, where one of the girls arranged a beautiful display of flowers in red and white, only to have one of the tutors say it meant death (blood and bandages apparently).

Someone once gave me a lovely hanging basket of red and white flowers and DH wondered what I was doing at 10 o'clock at night, standing on a stepladder outside - I was stuffing blue flowers in amongst them.

Anniebach Sun 04-Oct-15 23:37:47

I do remember a nurse going quite frantic because someone was given red and white flowers

rosequartz Sun 04-Oct-15 23:40:37

It never worried me before I heard that, but once I've heard something I get superstitious.

Elegran Sun 04-Oct-15 23:41:16

It must be like the barber's pole - red and white stripes for the blood and bandages, from when the barbers were also the surgeons (they could handle sharp razors)

That is also the origin of surgeons being just Mr while physicians are Dr.

rosequartz Sun 04-Oct-15 23:42:02

That sounds really stupid, of course it never worried me when I didn't know, what I mean is it would still not worry a lot of people even after they heard it, but now I know I wouldn't put red and white flowers together.