Everything to do with the attacks

Yes many rosesarered , too many to list sorry , but I doubt your question was meant in kindness

We could never get civilians out of Syria, what about the ones in the towns where ISIS reign supreme like Raqqua?

If we bomb Syria we bomb civilians , that simple really

IS strongholds are outside Syria. That's what we are bombing. Not Damascus.

Many of the Syrians have already left. (sorry to state the obvious) So why couldn't we get the rest out?

Then how about this anniebach start a campaign
For those poor people in Syria,
Being crucified, thrown off buildings, skinned alive, raped, beheaded, kept in cages and used as sex slaves, some little more than children. All done by ISIS. The petition could be presented to Parliament, and perhaps we could then show our support by starting to join in with France, Russia, the US and Iran by bombing the ISIS strongholds.There are worst things than a quick death by bombing, and I have mentioned them in this post.

Steady on roses. This is a website for nannas.

We would need a spokesman woman person Gran.

and a leader. Anyone thinking of putting themselves forward?

Nope, but I Would sign it, that's for sure!

start one rosesarered , quite easy to start a campaign I assure you , and you may succeed , they do tend to go on for years though, may be less work if you support one which is already running , I have

Yeeeees, I'm sure you have.

Yeeeees, I have

If Cameron asked Parliament to vote on airstrikes now, I wonder if MP's would agree, I think there us a good chance now that they would.
militarily, what we do won't make much difference ( a little) but the solidarity factor would nean a lot.

elegran the point that you make about ' we are where we are' is a good one.

rosesarered Bombing does not always result in a "quick death"; sometimes it results in terrible mutilation and a long, drawn-out and agonising death. Other times it results in terrible mutilation and an agonising life. Just for the record.

Perhaps, all depends on how near you are etc.However, even that may be preferable to the other deaths, tortures that ISIS are doling out.If nothing is done, then the murdering and torturing and raping thugs go on their merry way.

We are beyond wringing our hands, now surely?

absent.

Got this via facebook from an old friend and felt the need to share:

My knees don't work like they used to do, arthritis will do that, but you know after the events in Paris, I could almost be glad because it means that I cannot engage in the type of knee jerk reaction that many have done over the last few days.

I don't mean those showing sympathy or support, I mean those who have all the answers including turning Britain into something resembling feudal Japan, where even ship wreck survivors were to be put to death if they had the bad luck to be foreigners!

I mean those who are content to follow the comments of a media that seems to be becoming more right wing with every passing day.

I mean those who criticise those whom they call do-gooders without seemingly stopping to consider what the alternative is.

I mean those who don't want justice, they want revenge, it might be understandable in some ways, but that doesn't mean it's the right way to go, especially if you consider how few facts that we have as yet.

I have said already that I don't have answers, but I do have friends of different religions or none at all, friends of different nationalities, different coloured skin, different political views, they didn't become friends because I happened to approve of any of these features of them and they certainly won't become my enemies because of them either.
To do that IS to let terrorists gain a victory, it is to let me become like them, I've never had the highest opinion of myself, but it's better that that, and if that makes me a do-gooder, so be it!

I think I largely agree with those points.
And I think your friend is right to point out, or perhaps remind others that there are some people in the world who are out for revenge. Or even power, or stopping themselves having egg on their face, if you see what I mean.

I agree with a lot of your post Granny23 especially the part where you say.... They didn't become your friends because you approved..... etc.

I too have friends of various beliefs, nationalities and beliefs but one thing we do all share in common is that we each care for other people. We care for each other and each other's feelings.

I could never be friends with anyone who didn't share my basic values and the problem we have with IS and the likes, is that they do not share our values. I suspect that they feel no love for either themselves or their fellow human beings.

Not my words, Gilly but those of my friend Jim. He also sent me a short message the other day (which I have lost) but referring to those who don't want any refugees here, he reminded them that this is not the first time that a needy Middle Eastern couple (pregnant wife) has been turned away on the grounds that there was no room for them. It's been an on-going problem for 2000+ years.

Wise man, my friend Jim.

Granny23, a wise and very nice man indeed. Do pass on my best wishes and tell him I totally agree with every word.

Really worth watching this Muslim talk about what Isil/s want:

youtu.be/q_nfXoVSpMQ

Dear Jim,

I'm sorry you see the slaughter that took place in France and subsequent comments as a knee jerk reaction. Obviously empathy on such a scale to some is being seen as such as they are in agreement with you, however to others it is merely the collective human nature of showing support and empathy to those who are not friends nor family but never the less part of what we feel as a civilised society we endeavour to belong to. Each to his own .

You may believe that the UK is going to be like feudal Japan and there is a distinct urge to kill all foreigners but I find that a rather stupid comment. I think the rhetoric has been in the opposite direction by the majority and I hope not to be proven mistaken.

You say the media and the population are becoming more right wing everyday. You are displaying a well trodden path of the left to try to belittle anybody that does not agree with you and yours line of thought. It is a pathetic attempt to infer you are of a superior intelligence and everybody else who has a different opinion to you have such a tiny brain they only rely on media coverage which because it does not concur with your beliefs therefor must be right wing. You may be surprised to know that the majority of people are not brainwashed by the media but are intelligent enough to decypher and filter from varying sources and do not rely in total on the media / political persuasion to establish the truth. Sometimes it is not what is said by some media outlets that becomes as interesting as what is , so I will agree there is a bias by the media both to the left and right.

Calling somebody a do gooder is tantamount to being rude dependant on the 'context' of how the term is used, especially when the term has not been written nor spoken but somebody decides to take things out of context and feels victimised.

I too have friends from different cultures, religions and race, most of us do but I never even get it one moment of thought that what happened in Paris would make me feel any different toward them, why would I. I sure as hell don't think of myself as a do gooder , I wouldn't even put the two things together I am merely a friend.