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Potential terrrorist with a conscience

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Luckygirl Thu 19-Nov-15 19:49:22

It seems that one of the Paris terrorists was seen in the gents staring at himself in the mirror, then turned and left the building and blew himself up in the street away from anyone else.

A waste of a life - a young person who had been brainwashed and then had the decency to turn away from it.

There are no winners.

POGS Thu 19-Nov-15 20:00:03

Sorry to sound negative or sarcastic because I haven't seen the clip,read about it or heard an official report to understand how they know.

How do they know his suicide jacket didn't go off by accident whilst he was heading towards a target. Just interested.

Ana Thu 19-Nov-15 20:09:12

And until we have more details, it's hard to accept the assumption that he was 'a potential terrorist', with or without a conscience.

Perhaps it might have been wiser to put a ? at the end of the thread title.

loopylou Thu 19-Nov-15 20:12:19

Or sheer bloody luck it went off where it did?

merlotgran Thu 19-Nov-15 20:14:13

My thoughts as well. hmm

M0nica Thu 19-Nov-15 20:26:11

If this is what he did do. he also had to face the fact that there was no going back. If he had ditched his jacket and walked away, he would have been a marked man within the ISIL community and never safe within any neighbourhood where he was known.

Luckygirl Thu 19-Nov-15 20:27:45

I can understand the temptation to cynicism - who would not in this sorry situation? But the story came from a French eyewitness whose own life was at risk and he was clear about his interpretation of what happened.

Ana Thu 19-Nov-15 20:37:52

He knows what he saw, of course, but not what was in the bomb-wearing man's mind - that's just his interpretation, possibly fanciful.

Luckygirl Thu 19-Nov-15 20:38:56

He had no incentive or motive to be charitable in his interpretation.

Stansgran Thu 19-Nov-15 20:40:21

I think this comes under the heading of Mysterious Ways.

Ana Thu 19-Nov-15 20:41:40

He still only knows what he actually saw. He couldn't possibly know that this man 'had the decency to turn away', or indeed whether he had been brainwashed or not.

Luckygirl Thu 19-Nov-15 21:39:35

They've all been brainwashed or they would not be there toting guns.

Ana Thu 19-Nov-15 21:40:48

You think...?

rosesarered Thu 19-Nov-15 22:17:47

We can't know.He may have been staring in the mirror to give himself courage to act, or may have been having second thoughts, or ... Or..

Luckygirl Thu 19-Nov-15 22:46:57

Or indeed...I am only quoting what the eye witness said - an eye witness who could well have been killed by this man if he had not chosen to go out and blow himself up.

merlotgran Thu 19-Nov-15 22:52:02

Was this a news report, luckygirl? Was the eye witness at risk because he saw the suicide belt in the gents?

It's quite confusing.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 19-Nov-15 22:54:57

Could you do a link Luckygirl? I can't see any mention of it in news reports.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 19-Nov-15 22:56:24

Anyway, no one needs to let themselves be "brainwashed" to that extent.

Luckygirl Thu 19-Nov-15 23:11:17

It was on a news report earlier this evening - not sure which channel. They interviewed this Frenchman, who spoke good English. As I understand it the eyewitness was at risk - the terrorist had a gun, but chose not to kill and went out and blew himself up. That's what the chap said.

I am not sure that people "let" themselves be brainwashed, any more than vulnerable young people chose to become addicts at the hands of unscrupulous drug pushers.

petra Fri 20-Nov-15 09:13:33

I read this in the DM some days ago.

soontobe Fri 20-Nov-15 09:20:57

I dont think people let themselves be brainwashed either.

Luckygirl Fri 20-Nov-15 10:09:34

I always try and imagine these terrorists as newborns and think what influences have changed them from that innocent creature to the monsters that they become. We need to get at those influences somehow and - I say again - the only way is via moderate and decent muslims making a BIG noise and not just making low-key statements. They need to be out there demonstrating daily - shouting it from the rooftops and decrying what is being done in the name of their religion. Their statements are so quiet that it is tempting not to believe that they are against all the violence - they need to be out their and yelling their heads off.

nigglynellie Fri 20-Nov-15 10:16:43

Perhaps they are too afraid, after all making a big noise if you are a Muslim could also make you a marked person for some fanatic.

Anya Fri 20-Nov-15 10:28:32

Id like to believe he had a change of heart.

Luckygirl Fri 20-Nov-15 11:04:27

Yes nellie - we are all afraid. I just feel that the fact that they keep so quiet not only misses the opportunity to prevent radicalisation, but also raises fears amongst the rest of the population that they are tacitly approving of the terrorists (or worse) and that is very destructive.