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Should GB be a world power

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vampirequeen Thu 26-Nov-15 08:55:18

This is a genuine attempt to start a discussion so although this is my opinion please don't simply shoot me down in flames.

A century ago GB was indeed a world power. The Empire was built through a mixture of exploration, annexation, trade and military intervention. At that time the adage that 'the sun never set on the British Empire' was true and GB was a strong, rich military and industrial power.

Jump forward to 2015. The British Empire no longer exists and British industry has to fight to survive in a competitive international market.

Many fail to see this and still live in a empirical dream world where GB is still the centre of the universe. Isn't it time to face facts? GB is a small, insignificant county. Still rich compared to many countries but not the power it used to be. With this in mind should we really see ourselves as a world police force. Cutting defence (a weird way of describing going to war) spending would free up so much money. I'm not saying all of it but do we really need nuclear weapons and other first strike capabilities. Education, the NHS, pensions, disability benefits, housing and a host of other things which benefit the British people could be improved by increased spending.

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:06:37

Alea, I don't recall you asking others is they are going to answer a question, you may have , I don't read every thread , is it not my choice to answer or not without being challenged ?

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:08:42

Hat is so mean - pointing out a simple little mistake! angry We are none of us are quite so young as we used to be and we all make the odd mistake.

Disgusting!

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:11:55

And stop the nasty bullying.

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:13:50

Thank you Jingle,it was a silly error and if it had to pointed out so publicly it could at least have been done without the mocking , pointing out the difference of troop and troupe was cruel , I could and would have accepted it as a joke

Alea Thu 26-Nov-15 22:15:01

This is a serious thread about a deadly serious subject. Not the place for joking.

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:17:26

And mocking an error is acceptable ?

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:18:29

Where is anyone joking? confused

Of course it's a serious thread. So stick to the subject.

POGS Thu 26-Nov-15 22:26:12

Anniebach

You asked:-

'I wondered if mothers thought this mess in Syria is worth the deaths of their children'

I would stop trying to dig yourself out of the hole you created for yourself. It would have been bad enough a question had it been a generalisation but you made it a personal question to fellow GN's for what end , to score points for your pacifist view, try to cause upset by being so insensitive.

Alea Thu 26-Nov-15 22:33:05

I think Anniebachherself introduced the idea of a "joke" when she said;

pointing out the difference of troop and troupe was cruel , I could and would have accepted it as a joke
Neither the time nor the place I would have said.
(It's strange how the accusations of "bullying" raise their ugly head just because somebody disagrees with someone else, or when it ibecomes clear that an argument is indefensible)

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:36:29

POGS, every parent of a child in war is fearful, every parent must hope and pray there will not be conflict ,if war they know it could take the life .This war really has confused me because the countries involved are fighting together but are also opposing sides. My question was asked because I really wanted to know how those so emotionally involved felt about it. That you choose to see malice where there was none is your choice , that you joined in has surprised me

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:38:38

Alea, I said I didn't mind a joke over me using the wrong word,

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:40:11

I think the question as to how parents of the service people who will be put at risk if this goes ahead, is a very relevant one. I feel horror at the thought of what could happen, so God only knows how their families will be feeling.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:41:49

I missed a bit out of that first sentence.

How they will feel.

Ana Thu 26-Nov-15 22:43:13

It's not relevant to the question of whether or not the UK should join in the war against ISIS.

POGS Thu 26-Nov-15 22:44:59

Anniebach

I have not 'joined in' anything. I care not one jot about spelling nor use or words .

I have spoken honestly in both of my posts regarding your choice of words and subsequent question , nothing more, nothing less.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:45:21

The thread had moved on. Threads do.

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:45:45

The families of those who fought in the two world wars knew there were two sides and why their loved ones were at war . In Iraq they thought they knew the true reasons.

Does anyone really know what troops may die for in this war? I don 't

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:46:30

There was nothing wrong with the question. You didn't have to answer it. Nobody's forcing you.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:48:02

I guess they'll die to protect us and our way of life. Paris is very close.

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:52:14

Yes Jingle, I am sure they will fight for that , but I doubt the reasons of the leaders ,

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 22:53:37

I don't. What reason do you think Cameron has in mind?

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 22:58:57

Jingle, perhaps because I am stuck indoors for a while so listening to too many experts! I just don't know. The countries at war are also at war with each other.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 26-Nov-15 23:10:53

It's a good job we haven't got to sort it out. Too hard for me. moon

Anniebach Thu 26-Nov-15 23:13:21

True, and for me

Cherrytree59 Thu 26-Nov-15 23:29:30

I have come to this thread late and understand that it has moved on from OP . Which I have to say I agree with. Yes we may have a good ecconomy and military prowess but does that make it such that we have to be at the fore front of this conflict. Other countries 'help out' under NATO why can we not do the same? Why make ourselves stand out as a target on home soil? , because as sure as night follows day we will be if we start Joining in as a 'big player. Sometimes its better to be a team player. Than a gungho Blair or Bush