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Should GB be a world power

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vampirequeen Thu 26-Nov-15 08:55:18

This is a genuine attempt to start a discussion so although this is my opinion please don't simply shoot me down in flames.

A century ago GB was indeed a world power. The Empire was built through a mixture of exploration, annexation, trade and military intervention. At that time the adage that 'the sun never set on the British Empire' was true and GB was a strong, rich military and industrial power.

Jump forward to 2015. The British Empire no longer exists and British industry has to fight to survive in a competitive international market.

Many fail to see this and still live in a empirical dream world where GB is still the centre of the universe. Isn't it time to face facts? GB is a small, insignificant county. Still rich compared to many countries but not the power it used to be. With this in mind should we really see ourselves as a world police force. Cutting defence (a weird way of describing going to war) spending would free up so much money. I'm not saying all of it but do we really need nuclear weapons and other first strike capabilities. Education, the NHS, pensions, disability benefits, housing and a host of other things which benefit the British people could be improved by increased spending.

WilmaKnickersfit Mon 30-Nov-15 21:45:13

My understanding is the warning message is given on an emergency channel, so it doesn't really matter about the language. The fact an emergency transmission is made should always be enough. Plus the warning is given before the plane is over a border, so it really does not matter how how long the plane was in Turkish airspace, the earlier warnings were ignored.

It has to be Russian policy to continually provoke other countries because it happens all the time.

The link I gave earlier about a bakery being bombed yesterday is important because the bakery was set up last year by a large humanitarian organisation to support 45,000 displaced Syrians and not near ISIL territory. Seven trucks carrying humanitarian supplies were also attacked in the Russian air strikes that killed 44 people.

Putin is making fools of the international coalition by supporting Assad under the guise of attacking ISIL. But who wants to confront him? He is an aggressor, not an ally.

It's not so long ago that we gave military escorts to Russian 'visitors' - RAF and RN Escorts for Russian Visitors

durhamjen Mon 30-Nov-15 22:26:57

We also trained Saudi and Syrian officers in the airforce and army, as well as those from other middle eastern countries.

durhamjen Mon 30-Nov-15 22:31:50

'News of Britain's role training officers loyal to Syria's president, Bashar al-Assad, came after allegations his regime's forces have killed at least 450 civilians in a violent attempt to suppress the uprising. They have reportedly used tanks, snipers and armoured vehicles to crush the opposition movement.

The Syrian officers trained by the MoD were among hundreds from Middle Eastern countries whose governments pay for them to attend Britain's world-renowned officer training colleges each year. It trained 104 Bahraini officers over the same period, seven from Libya, three from Tunisia and 56 from Yemen, according to MoD figures.

Asked about why Britain has been training Syrian troops, a spokeswoman for the defence department said she could not talk about individual cases but claimed no training would be given if it would lead to human rights abuses. "The British military provide places on our flagship courses, such as officer training at Sandhurst, to develop a nation's future military leaders and instil the same values of accountability and commitment to the rule of law that underpin our own armed forces," she said. "All overseas requests for defence training are considered on a case-by-case basis and it would not be provided if we thought such training would lead to human rights abuses. Indeed, providing training to the same high standards used by UK armed forces helps to save lives and raise awareness of human rights." '

friends123 Thu 03-Dec-15 11:01:11

How was WW2 won?

Anniebach Thu 03-Dec-15 11:12:24

With thousand of boots on the ground

POGS Thu 03-Dec-15 11:36:34

By the uniting of countries to beat fascism.

rosequartz Thu 03-Dec-15 11:42:32

How was WW2 won?
Without our allies we would have lost

By the uniting of countries to beat fascism.
Yes, including America and Russia

rosequartz Thu 03-Dec-15 11:43:08

oh, agreed with POGS
is that allowed hmm

durhamjen Fri 04-Dec-15 00:23:30

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