Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

Gracesgran the claim our air strikes in Iraq against ISIL have caused no civilian casualties has just been repeated by David Cameron in the live discussion. I don't believe the claim and I am against the motion, which is surely clear from my comments on several threads, including this one. The 'head in the sand' remark should be directed elsewhere.

WilmaKnickersfit Wed 02-Dec-15 09:54:09
To date there's been no civilian casualties reported from our air strikes in Iraq against ISIL.

I am not sure how else to read this WilmaKnickersfit. I am afraid you cannot rely on the fact that you have put comments "on several threads" as I do not come on here very often these days so took your comment at face value. Good to hear you do not believe Cameron's claim and I too would want them to vote against the motion.

Bombs will never fix the worlds problems and just end up with more people getting killed, I hope the MPs vote no. I've emailed my local MP.

Gracesgran, he has now been asked many times for an apology and still refuses, he has no honour

I watched the Simon Reeve programme about Ireland the other night and was saddened to see that the problems are still there albeit without the violence [or not as much]. Peace is often just a case of plugging a volcano for as long as possible sometimes, and the only thing that really seems to work is people talking and recognising 'the enemy' as a fellow human being.

I just heard a pro MP (didn't catch his name) say that it was all ok as we used Brimstone missiles which don't explode on the ground! That explains why the French and Americans don't have them! God help us!

I may be wrong Nfk but I understood the Brimstone missiles are especially more precise and don't shower everywhere, or anywhere as far, when it hits the target.

This is not the first time that Cameron has allowed his inner Flashman to reveal what lies beneath that polished exterior. Terrorist sympathisers??? He should apologise.
I am watching the debate as I write this. Good arguments from Gerald Kaufmann.

Very good argument by Kaufman

John Baron Tory MP is speaking against the yes vote, also angry at being called a terrorist sympathiser when he had served in N.I.

He doesn't believe the 70,000 Cameron claims will form an army

The Blairites are going with the yes vote - no surprise there

I understand that Labour MP's who plan to vote with the government are being subjected to horrendous abuse and threats both outside an inside the House of Commons. Liz Kendall in particular has been threatened with a Nazi solution - J.C has reportedly said that there will be no hiding place for these MP's, frightening stuff indeed. No wonder D.C doesn't apologise to such awful people. It'll be a brave person who isn't intimidated by these threats.

www.uniraq.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=itemlist&layout=category&task=category&id=159&Itemid=633&lang=en

Civilian casualties as listed by UN in Iraq for every month. This is despite the fact that the UN is being hindered in seeing casualties.

Of course, not a single one was killed by British forces, is that right?
Excuse the sarcasm.

DC was being asked to apologise to everyone who does not want to have British aircraft bombing Syria, and it is bombing Syria, not just Isil.

There are an awful lot of awful people in this country, nigglie; roughly half the population do not want that.
Do you think the same as DC? Do you think that half the population of this country are awful for not wanting to bomb Syria, and are terrorist sypathisers?

And where did you read this nigglenellie? Was Gerald Kauffman abusive to anyone ? What you are claiming is not true sorry , and nothing you try to put forward as an excuse for the insult from Cameron works, what he said was inexcusable.

And before I have the usual comments on how do I know - I have three relatives working in the house, one is an MP, I know there has been no such thing said by Corbyn . Some just cannot come to terms with the fact that he is an honest MP oh that the same could be said of Cameron

Sorry but can't even say you did a good job of trying to Excuse Cameron and besmirch Corbyn, it was rather sad

Oh Annie wasn't it - Kaufman I mean, but how he has aged.

I am still stunned by the Liberals stance - just watching Tim Farron.

You can think what you like, I can assure you it is true. Google it, it's all there, the rabble are shrieking, screaming and threatening exactly how they always have done, to the apparent satisfaction of their leader. The far left have always behaved like this, so what can you expect? deja vu really!

Nigglenellie, you know all who are anti war are of the far left? Wrong again

You on the far right are in no position to accuse anyone of bad behaviour when members of your party are being investigated for bullying

If I google Father Christmas I am sure I will find the address where I can write to him

I think Annie, that niggly meant twitter, etc., surely. However, even if that were true, whatever anyone was to call me or say to me on here could never compare to what my Prime Minister is inferring about everyone who will not walk through the same lobby as him and those whose views they represent and saying it in a forum where he knows it will be made public. Dishonerable conduct for a Prime Minister niggly, dishonerable conduct.

I am listening to the debate live on the radio and earlier someone had to leave the chamber because her staff were receiving abusive phone calls about not supporting air strikes. I think it was Caroline Lucas, but I could be wrong.

Gracesgran, I am most surprise at the Libs supporting the government , Paddy Ashdown spoke out against air strikes recently

Gerald looks unwell doesn't he? He is such a nice man , a gentleman not a Flashman

It was Labour MP Stella Creasy who is undecided about how to vote.

That's awful Wilma, surely the left will not be accused of this too

Here is the link I read, Guardian,

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/02/labour-mps-deselection-threats-syria-vote-stella-creasy-diana-johnson

Glad you find all this so amusing, Anniebach.

Thank you .Grscesgran, I don't bother with twitter , I do get emails if Stephen Fry makes a comment but never go on there , too many bullies

AnnieBach please don't take this the wrong way, but you do yourself no favours with your Flashman comments. Name calling diminishes the credibility of your comments, which is such a shame because I respect the points you make.