Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

I'm grateful to jen for posting the links. Just because you aren't why do you constantly have to criticise her for doing so? It's getting very very tiresome. We KNOW you don't want the links..you've said so endlessly but some of us do so just put up with it....

I do quite often, roses. I think you'll find more of my thoughts on here for you to sneer at than links.

Thanks, Tegan.

Anyway, I thought Keir Starmer's speech was very good. As he was the former DPP, what he says should be important, as presumably he knows more about the law than many of us.

Philip Hammond has just said that the planes are ready to go, if not tonight, then tomorrow night. It worries me that he's said that.

More lectures! Naughty dj
So no more links
No more use of the word empathy
No more use of the poem.

Don't forget no more 'weeping and wailing'

And other forms of virtue signalling...

I have been following this link all day and it started well with interesting points of view and opinions being posted. Unfortunately it has now turned into a slanging match involving a few regular posters. Such a pity. It is closing down the debate for me. ?

Oh! Yes I got too caught up I will stop forthwith and am sorry for my silly remarks.
I usually try to avoid all this nonsense - I must be tired -off to bed

Not staying up for the vote, whitewave?

Is that your first post, Jayh? I do not recognise the name.

He damn well should have apologised .

He should look at any actions, words and deeds he and others have been using. I go so far as to say I think there could well be an internal inquiry as to the behaviour towards the Labour MP's. It has been nothing short of disgraceful. I won't hold my breath but there will be some very unhappy MP's who were elected by their constituents in a Democratic process but are being threatened, apparently now so openly.

This was supposed to be an era of a new type of politics , a kinder politics . Corbyn has been hailed as a ' conviction politician' he said we had to get used to people talking and debating issues and respecting each others points of views. What happened?

There is a situation that has come to fruition today that members of parliament are voting on what is probably the most critical vote they will ever have to deal with in their life time yet there has been an obvious attempt to distort/abuse the democratic system. There will be suspicion about this situation for a long time as to the possiblity the democratic process has been made a mockery of, or worse!

As for Starmer I thought he gave the impression he was leaning toward voting in a different way whilst being interviewed on Daily Politics but I could be wrong I will
try and find it to see.

Listening to Hilary Benn on tv now, brilliant! A very impassioned speech to vote with the Government.

Corbyn seems to sail on by with his head in the sand air while others near to him in the party threaten and bully the moderates. disgraceful indeed!

Yes, of course he has the moral high ground - what the rest of the party does is nothing to do with him...

Hilary Benn, the shadow foreign secretary, is speaking now.

He says, although he will vote differently from Jeremy Corbyn, he is proud to be in the same party as him. He says Corbyn is not a terrorist sympathiser. “He is an honest, a principled, a decent and a good man,” he says.

He tells David Cameron that he should have apologised.

This was the beginning of Benn's speech. He was right.

Outstanding - he had a good teacher.

And the rest of his brilliant speech was all about exactly why we should be bombing Deash in Syria! he got the most tremendous applause, as well he should.The vote will go to the Government tonight.

DJ Nick Robinson suggested that he has been identified as a future leader.

And other forms of virtue signalling...

Ana it occurred to me that rabbiting about others "virtue signalling" is a form of virtue signalling in its own right. It means the complainant is saying "you are virtue signalling" while actually flagging up their belief in their own virtue for not doing the things they accuse others of doing.

Ana to answer your question at 17.07 about yes/no, it was changing from one to the other.

rosesarered I think your comment about the Syrian running away leaving his family behind is one of the more judgemental things I have read so far today. It says a lot to me about how you regard the refugees and their families.

As Da-esh took territory in Syria, it attacked places like oil fields where lots of men worked, many of whom sent money back home to their families. These attacks were life or death situations and many ran for their lives, others were taken hostage or killed there and then. Thousands of these men who ran ended up in countries like Turkey and many of the women and children refugees we see travelling alone are these mens' families who have paid the smugglers to get them out of the country.

I'm sure this isn't the only reason for so many Syrian men leaving Syria. I can believe that there's many reasons, including cowardice. I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush though.

Hilary Benn is an honourable man, one of many from all parties we've heard from today.

Who would you rather have,whitewave, Hilary Benn or Keir Starmer?
I must admit Benn's speech was brilliant, even if I do not agree with him.

Has anyone said today that the Paris attacks happened because France bombed Syria, because I missed it if so.

Feeling very sad.

For once we agree Durhamjen .

Hilary Benn has just given the speech of his career, now I can believe there is a 'conviction politician' on the Labour front bench and I never in my dreams thought it would be the words spoken from Hilary Benn.

I was amazed there were cheers and handclaps from 'both ' sides of the house and I honestly believe not for his decision to back the government but for the guts he showed to go with his contience .

There is no glory in all this, there is no joy at what may happen IF the vote is yes but whether or not they voted yes or no I respect every one of them having to fulfill the duty which most people would find too difficult to undertake.

Hear hear POGS.